Voltage gain of DTMF decoder

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dramrattan

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Hi,

The attached DTMF decoder configuration was taken from the datasheet of the MT8870 DTMF decoder but i'm seeing that in order to calculate the gain, the gain formula have a S...What is this S?... Do i just use the gain as Rf on R? The equation is on page 9 of the attached document.

Regards.

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Mikebits

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Ignore the S stuff, Just use the Rf/Ri formula. Close enough.

dramrattan

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Voltage gain

ok thanks, I thought so but was just curious on what the S was.

Do you hae a clue?

dramrattan

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Voltage Gain

Thus the voltage gain of the attached circuit would be 150K/(56K + 56K) right? and not 150K/56K

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dramrattan

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Voltage Gain

Lol...Oh well i'm seeing the voltage gain on page 5 for the differential configuration on the MItel datasheet is R5 on R which is the same as Rf on R in the testing circuit i attached earlier so that should be good...Thus it should be 150K/(56K+56K) which is approximately 1 so i don't see the sense using the differential configuration with a gain of almost 1 when there is a single ended input configuration with unity gain available. Unless the DTMF decoder is that sensitive to changes

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Mikebits

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Differential has the benefit of noise reduction. The + noise on terminal a cancels - noise on terminal b. Does that make sense?

dramrattan

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Diff. Configuration

Ohhhh yea makes sense...think i read that later down in the Application note...thanks for the refresh of memory...

ericgibbs

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hi dramrattan,
Consider what effect the Source impedance has upon the gain, its a nominal 600R.

Also a single ended input will give no common mode rejection, whereas a differential input will.

dramrattan

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Diff. Input Config

Yea it was mentioned that the zero formed on the '+' when Ra is choosen os canceled by the pole formed by calculating Rb:

Rb = Ra X Rf/(Ra+Rf)

I can't remember what is a POLE and what is a ZERO so i trying to figure that out for the while

dramrattan

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S confusion

Thanks eric gibbs...makes sense

Mikebits

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hi dramrattan,

Also a single ended input will give no common mode rejection, whereas a differential input will.

That is what I was trying to say...

ericgibbs

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Thanks eric gibbs...makes sense

hi dramrattan,
This is your cct with a gain of 2, [6dB], I have used a single ended input for demo.

The 3dB point is about 70Hz.

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dramrattan

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Voltage Gain

Hi,

What did you use to simulate the circuit?...How do yo know the gain is 2 from that graph?

ericgibbs

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Hi,

What did you use to simulate the circuit?...How do yo know the gain is 2 from that graph?

LTSpice.

The gain 6dB, look at the left Y axis of the graph at the 0bB line, the flat portion of the gain curve is on the +6dB line... OK.?

Cool. Thanks

minupn

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how the gain of op amp is selected in mt8870?

audioguru

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how the gain of op amp is selected in mt8870?
By the ratio of the feedback resistors which is the same with all voltage input opamps.

Mikebits

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He might be asking, how do you decide on what the gain should be set to.

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