Need TTL Cookbook page 171 & 172. 555 timer 2N3055 vintage Electric Fence Charger

[gary350]

My TTL Coolbook is missing page 171 and 172 does anyone have a copy of those 2 pages. ?

I need a 60 year old electric fence charger to keep 4 cats and 1 dog out of the garden. The new modern electric fence charges are continuous ON that can kill small animals. I already murdered a black bird & squirrel. I need an 60 year old vintage 2 second relay type fence charger that sends 1 spark every 2 seconds.

I am sure I read in my TTL book duty cycle of a 555 can be set 5% of the total time. If R1 & R2 plus capacitor are set for 2 seconds then 5% of that is 1/10th of a second. If I can send a voltage pulse to the auto transformer it will send out a HV spark every 2 seconds.

I have this circuit already built from 40 years ago it has a variable resistor to adjust Hz from 1 Hz to much higher. I have learned from experiments output is best at a low Hz. I need to change my circuit to 5% high output every 2 seconds.

I started reading my TTL book it wants me to see electric circuit probably on page 171 or 172 but that page is gone. Once I change the circuit then test it I might learn it works better at .2 seconds or . 3 seconds. Book says duty cycle can be 99.9% = .02 second.

High time needs to be .1 second. Low time needs to be 1.95 seconds.

 

[ronsimpson]

The new modern electric fence charges are continuous ON

Where do you live? Here "continuous" is agains the law.

 

[AnalogKid]

You are half-way there without the book.

0. Change to the CMOS version: LMC555

1. The emitter arrow on the 3055 points the other way.

2. Insert a 150 ohm resistor between 555 pin 3 and the 3055 base. This limits the base current to something the 555 can supply safely.

3. 555 power is pin 8. also connect pin 4 to Vcc.

That was the easy part. The standard 555 timing circuit cannot produce an output duty cycle (ratio of up time to down time) less than 50%, while you want 5%. There are many examples of how to get around this on the innergoogle and on this site. Short form, you still need only one timing capacitor. But besides the two timing resistors, you need two small signal diodes (1N914, 1N4148, etc.).

ak

 

[ronsimpson]

 

[ronsimpson]

171

 

[ronsimpson]

Look what I was using as a book mark last time I read the book. On page 174.
That takes me back to 1975.

 

[Pommie]

Just looked up on the shelf to see where my copy was. Looks like I probably threw it out last time I moved homes. The oldest book up there is Hughes Electrical Technology Fifth edition - wonder why I kept that one.

Mike.

 

[gary350]

You are half-way there without the book.

0. Change to the CMOS version: LMC555

1. The emitter arrow on the 3055 points the other way.

2. Insert a 150 ohm resistor between 555 pin 3 and the 3055 base. This limits the base current to something the 555 can supply safely.

3. 555 power is pin 8. also connect pin 4 to Vcc.

That was the easy part. The standard 555 timing circuit cannot produce an output duty cycle (ratio of up time to down time) less than 50%, while you want 5%. There are many examples of how to get around this on the innergoogle and on this site. Short form, you still need only one timing capacitor. But besides the two timing resistors, you need two small signal diodes (1N914, 1N4148, etc.).

ak

I read what is left of my TTL book it looks like 555 will do 95% high but not 95% low so it will not do what I want.

I printed page 171 and 172.

 

[AnalogKid]

Again, with the addition of two small diodes it will do exactly what you want. Right-hand schematic:

**broken link removed**

ak

 

[Tony Stewart]

Look what I was using as a book mark last time I read the book. On page 174.
That takes me back to 1975.
View attachment 117247

For me it was 1970 and the card reader clerk would take our little pack of cards while seniors were taking boxes full. But the babe taking our cards, had our eyes, like her blouse were bulging out.

 

[Tony Stewart]

Gary you can play with my design here online https://tinyurl.com/yxn35mp3 and change the RC to reduce speed then change Options > other options > step time for a slower trace like 250~500u (us per sample x 2000)

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

I need a 60 year old electric fence charger to keep 4 cats and 1 dog out of the garden. The new modern electric fence charges are continuous ON that can kill small animals. I already murdered a black bird & squirrel. I need an 60 year old vintage 2 second relay type fence charger that sends 1 spark every 2 seconds.

As usual your assumptions are completely wrong, electric fences are never continuously ON, both because it would be illegal, and (more importantly) it would greatly reduce battery life. Electric fences are designed to stop cows, horses etc. - not tiny animals, I'm not surprised one would kill small animals, however their normal usage would mean that it's pretty well impossible for them to affect small animals.

A simple physical fence would keep the dog out, but you're not going to stop cats, not even with an electric fence.

 

[gary350]

As usual your assumptions are completely wrong, electric fences are never continuously ON, both because it would be illegal, and (more importantly) it would greatly reduce battery life. Electric fences are designed to stop cows, horses etc. - not tiny animals, I'm not surprised one would kill small animals, however their normal usage would mean that it's pretty well impossible for them to affect small animals.

A simple physical fence would keep the dog out, but you're not going to stop cats, not even with an electric fence.

The electric fence charger that I bought to experiment with is 120 VAC it seems to be a high voltage transformer it makes a continuous spark. My grandfather had a battery fence charger with a rotating clock wheel that went, click..........................click........................click..........................click..........................click. It worked like a car ignition coil every time contacts close then open it produces 1 high voltage spark. I should be able to build a fence charger with a 555 timer identical to the old vintage fence charges to make 1 spark every 2 seconds.

Simulator is cool but I'm not sure what I am looking at. https://tinyurl.com/yxn35mp3 Bottom right corner parts values change depending where mouse pointer is. R1=44 R2=955 or R1=341 R2=658. After doing the math i see 44 and 955 are correct. I still don't know capacitor value? Math shows cap of .15uf high time is .1 second

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

The electric fence charger that I bought to experiment with is 120 VAC it seems to be a high voltage transformer it makes a continuous spark.

That's not an 'electric fence', it's a death trap if it's mains powered? - sounds more like a neon sign transformer than anything else?.

 

[unclejed613]

https://archive.org/download/TTLCookBook/TTL Cook Book.pdf

archive.org has just about everything...

 

[crutschow]

Here's the LTspice simulation of AK's 555 circuit in post #9 with fixed resistors to give the desired duty-cycle of 0.1s ON with a 2s period:

Edit: Below's a modified circuit with only one diode.
The main advantage is that the timing circuit is not connected to the output, as in the above circuit, so any output loading has no effect on the timing.

 

[audioguru]

The TV high voltage transformer or the car ignition coil are shown wrongly in the first post as a tapped coil without any DC power. Then they will do nothing.

 

[gary350]

This is my circuit. I have not decided if I am doing solar power or 12vdc power supply. Solar is 23v no load, 18v with load. I assume I can use a 7815 and 7812 to get 12v. I have a 12vdc power supply 1.8a which will be much easier than solar but not sure 1.8a is enough. If 555 pulse is .1 second a capacitor can be charging up for .9 seconds for the next pulse. I need to order the BD139 transistor from Colorado. I have a lot of transistors to choose from but I'm not motivated to spend 3 hours looking at datasheet to find a substitute transistor. I drew the circuit from the datasheet I can change resistors to get the pulse that works best .1 second every 1 or 2 seconds.

I have TV HV transformer and ignition coil to experiment with to see which works best.

I use to have a dozen 2N3055s but I can not find any of them?

 

[crutschow]

Why do you have two regulators in series?
One 12V regulator should be sufficient.

If that capacitor on pin 2 is 100nF, you wouldn't be able to get a 2s period.
That should be around 10uF.

 

[ronsimpson]

Why

Removing the transformer current from the regulators will help the heat; also increase the HV.