NOR gate oscillator in LTspice not working

[Flyback]

Hi,
Do you know why the NOR osc attached isnt working?...i think its something to do with race hazard?

 

[Lightium]

Node 5 is floating you have floating nodes.

 

[crutschow]

Yes, it is sort of a race hazard.
You need to add hysteresis to the circuit.
A relaxation oscillator needs hysteresis for proper operation and your ideal NOR gate has essentially none.
One way to do this, is to add a couple resistors from the input to the non-inverting output to generate a small positive feedback hysteresis (below).

 

[Flyback]

Thanks very much indeed Crutschow...and the real thing has this hysteresis i believe?.....also, thanks for confirming that the osc can be done with a single NOR...Though i still cant get it working...

 

[rjenkinsgb]

Do you know why the NOR osc attached isnt working?

That style of oscillator is normally associated with schmitt trigger gates, not normal gates.

 

[crutschow]

..and the real thing has this hysteresis

No, you need to add it, or use a gate with the hysteresis built-in.

Though i still cant get it working...

Look at my circuit again.
The hysteresis feedback needs to be from the non-inverting output, not the inverting.
Also set Ref=2.5V (the middle of the output), and simulate for at least 2ms.

 

[danadak]

Just be aware and prepared to accept very poor stability with T and V,
and if you are making more than 1 variation unit to unit. Between T and V
and passive tolerances as much as 50% or more.....

And I would breadboard and check jitter as well. Overall these are very sloppy
approaches to making oscillators unless accuracy and duty cycle and stability
are of no concern.


Regards, Dana.

 

[Papabravo]

You have set Ref=1.5 Volts. That will not work too well if Vhigh and Vlow remain at their default value of 1.0 Volts and 0.0 volts. You need to read the helpfile on the "A" parts very carefully.

 

[eTech]

Hi,
Do you know why the NOR osc attached isnt working?...i think its something to do with race hazard?

Set an initial condition. For example, set the "Value2" attribute on C2:

IC=0

so oscillator can startup.

See below. Notice I've removed some connections at OR gate (we discussed this before).

 

[crutschow]

See below

Note that the oscillations are very high frequency (much higher than you would expect from the R and C values) because there is no hysteresis.

 

[eTech]

Note that the oscillations are very high frequency (much higher than you would expect from the R and C values) because there is no hysteresis.

Remove the REF value

 

[eTech]

Hi,
Do you know why the NOR osc attached isnt working?...i think its something to do with race hazard?

Single CMOS inverter oscillator should really be a schmitt type device.
Here's an example with 74HC14.

 

[danadak]

Nothing like a precision oscillator with some T variation, not including
passive drift. Better than an atomic clock.... Precision, accuracy, galore....

Then you have issue hanging caps off of CMOS logic input pins, eg. the
potential damage when power is removed and cap discharges thru input
protection network. Even below ap note neglects this. Or power sequencing
inputs properly to avoid latchup on startup....

https://www.ti.com/lit/an/scla007a/scla007a.pdf?ts=1656790437371&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fduckduckgo.com%252F

https://www.ti.com/lit/an/scba004e/scba004e.pdf?ts=1656790654758&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fduckduckgo.com%252F

https://www.ti.com/lit/an/slya014a/slya014a.pdf

Oscillators like this great for protecting human safety in designs, or deep space
reliability repeatability designs.....facetious coefficient exploding.



Regards, Dana.