LEDs at Elevated Temperature

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I bet 105°C can work, the expiration date will just have to be adjusted downward or the 105°C cycle time will have to be increased by about 60% vs the 111°C processing temp.
 
I don't profess to be the expert in the food safety area but I believe that a lower temperature will kill botulism, but it takes a higher temperature to kill botulism spores, and this is why boiling water bath canning isn't recommended for vegetables and meats – I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but that's about the end of my knowledge (referring to an American commercial).


Interesting discovery about the battery last night. The battery used was a Mirata CR2032W, rated for 125°C. When I pulled the data monitor out of the jar of hot water, the LED was still flashing and the logger was still recording measurements. I took the battery out, and unloaded the data while powered by the PICkit 2.

I put the battery back in last night to see how much longer it would run. A few flashes and it stopped, battery apparently dead. I have a hard time believing that I pulled the data logger out just as the battery was on its last legs....

I wish the datasheet for this battery had some detail but there's not a plot on it. Could it be that the output voltage of the battery is slightly higher at higher temperature? Or maybe the brown out voltage reset on the micro is a little lower at temperature. I need to look at that setting and see if I can lower it a step.

My partner is a 4 hour drive away, taking care of his 95 year old grandmother. I'm headed back again soon (after a mental health break at home) to help him out. Last night he asked me to bring two temperature monitors when I come. No, wait. Three would be better. Bring 3 please. Wait, 4 would let us test 4 jars at once.... At any rate, he has a more advanced true InstraPot there, so it will be interesting to see the differences.
 
A couple more pictures.

The data logger is vacuum-sealed for the test. There's a small piece of perf board taped by the switches so the vacuumed bag doesn't press them.



Then put in a quart jar of water. If we get a workable temperature range, it will eventually be put in the center of a jar of whatever is being canned.

 
In grad school we were working on chemical sensors to monitor food safety - color change would indicate the food was stored above desired temp for a given time or color change would indicate processing temp was not reached for required time. Ultimately, it turned out to be easiest to not use specific chemical reactions but, instead, use formulation & molding of a wax (low molecular wt polyethylene) to delay contact of two chemicals (Vinegar solution and pH indicator) to show color change. Not as the funding proposal described "customized chemical reactions that match the processing profile...". My professor hated me because rewriting the intermediate data and follow-up funding proposal was way out of his center of experience.
 
I can confirm LEDs can survive some amazing temps and pressures. Color may shift if you get too hot but it is more difficult than you think to kill a 5mm indicator LED - especially the red ones.
Let me just hand one to an intern ............
 
They are pretty amazing. Make sure the intern measures the current and pull out the FLIR camera to measure temp.
They could integrate it into one of their 350 page reports with amazing presentations to the directors of the company while gaining top marks from the assessors. Then a few months after they leave, someone will read the report and realise they didn't really have a clue .... one of the best ones was a design for a power supply to run a test environment. Having pointed out that an LM317 regulating at 12 volts won't start a car the suggestion was that we bought hundreds of LM317s and ran them together.
 
I would blame the mentor - the mentor should be reviewing the intern and guiding the intern with as much oversight as the fully paid staff.
 
This topic will probably deserve a post of its own at some point.

Here is a post my partner Eric made on Facebook explaining the why behind this project.

 
This topic will probably deserve a post of its own at some point.

Here is a post my partner Eric made on Facebook explaining the why behind this project.

I think that is great but, Ouch, paying for fresh meat and turning into canned meat?
Going to the grocery store more frequently seems much easier, safer and tastier - all without saving any money while doing it. It's not like you're going to buy day-old fish at a discount so you can it. But, it is just my vent - I don't mean to start an argument on the merits of the genesis for your experiments - keep going, I find the challenges interesting.

also, if you have a dry oven, I'd love to see you put your micro/battery/sensor into higher and higher temps until it fails. Or, just the LED on a board with wires going into the oven and raise the temp until the LEDs fail.
 
I think that is great but, Ouch, paying for fresh meat and turning into canned meat?

You don't want a nice piece of canned filet mignon?. Well, I can't argue with that.

But how about canned fresh albacore tuna? Living in the Pacific Northwest, you can buy fresh tuna off the boat that was caught within the last few hours. Canned with water instead of oil and you'll have great tuna sandwiches year round.
 
Most often, home canning is used to preserve a seasonal food that's available in abundance at a good price for a short period. Think fruits and jelly/jam. The result is usually a premium product over store-bought items. This is the case for canning fish on the west coast.

Of course, who would pass up a canned whole chicken? Add a can of bread and you're all set!

 
I would blame the mentor - the mentor should be reviewing the intern and guiding the intern with as much oversight as the fully paid staff.

When we were apprentices, and not interns, we often used to put diodes directly across 240V AC mains - makes a nice bang

I presume an LED would be similar? - but by the time LED's appeared, we'd outgrown it (mostly!).
 

Must say, I've seen (or heard of) either of those

So how much are they?.
 
Must say, I've seen (or heard of) either of those

So how much are they?.

I think the question is "Why are they?"

I understand the bread is actually pretty good, and costs around three bucks a can.

One review I read about the chicken said "it tastes like all the flavor was cooked out of it." Appears to be kind of expensive at nearly ten bucks.

I have seen both of these items in the grocery store, so there is a demand but I can't imagine why.
 
Of course, who would pass up a canned whole chicken? Add a can of bread and you're all set!
Before the MRE (Meal Ready to Eat) there was the C Ration. Interesting thing was I could never tell the difference between canned chicken, pork or a few others. They did include a canned sort of cake or bread. I think the shelf life was something like 50 years. (OK not really) but a long time. All you needed was a P38 can opener. Today there are MREs but I will never forget the C Ration and the canned fruit was pretty good.

Seriously, this was a good thread and you really did a hell of a job. I was not sure things would survive the environment but they did very, very well in the pressure cooker.

Ron
 
My wife's biggest fear about catching Covid was having to eat my cooking - until she heard the pleasant news that a symptom of Covid-19 is loss of smell and taste. So, maybe a tinned-chicken might have its niche market.
 
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