how capacitor is aiding in 2nd cycle, during 2nd cycle current will come from opposite side through D1 and to (-ve side) of capacitor, and capacitor which was previously charged starts discharging in opposite direction like back to the mains supply. so there will be current addition of capacitor and AC supply current coming from D1. wouldnt that cause problem ?.D1 is forward biased in the 2nd half-cycle. C1 was charged to +ve in the first half cycle. So, it's voltage is in series-aiding in the 2nd half cycle.
this is dangerous and will take lots of time to charge a battery
during first half cycle when current is flowing anti clock wise , through capacitor, D3 and battery but wouldnt it flow through D1 and cause breakdown of that diode. 220v connected in parallel to Diode IN4007.
where is voltage stepping down in this circuit ?
how capacitor is aiding in 2nd cycle, during 2nd cycle current will come from opposite side through D1 and to (-ve side) of capacitor, and capacitor which was previously charged starts discharging in opposite direction like back to the mains supply. so there will be current addition of capacitor and AC supply current coming from D1.
wouldnt that cause problem ?
So if capacitor is stepping down well and we provide sereis resistor to stop the sudden current surge and reverse the LED, the circuit will work fine, but circuit is dangerous when no load is connected to or when battery is fully charged, because at that time voltage at output starts increasing , .therefore we need to provide shunt regulator ! But why would voltage at output start increasing by itself?C1 provides a voltage drop in accordance with the equation xC=1/2*pi*C. It drops the voltage from the line voltage value to ~+3.7V. D1 can easily handle that reverse voltage.
Hi,
The output voltage should not increase just because the battery is charged, unless it disconnects itself from the circuit.
The output voltage will also not increase if the value of R2 is low enough to cause significant conduction in D2, and D2 can take the extra current.
If the battery is wired in permanently this might not be a problem unless the battery becomes defective.
oh i didnt knew that !The real problem i think is that most people assume batteries have low voltage and cant hurt them, yet with this circuit if they grab the negative or positive lead of the battery and a water faucet they could be dead unless the negative lead is connected to ground and that's not always the case even when we take care to try to get it that way. That's why these kinds of power supplies are used when there's no chance of the user touching any node in the circuit. You'll find these circuits in quite a few products, but if there's a chance someone could touch part of the live circuit then you probably wont find this kind of circuit in that product, but rather a circuit with a specially wound transformer that actually has the primary and secondary physically separated from each other on the transformers metal core either on separate bobbins or a dual bobbin with a separator to keep them apart.
how can cap considered as voltage source when it is discharging in opposite direction, back into the mains supply ! it drops voltage because of its reactance and is out of phase with freq. of main supply .The circuit itself can be more easily understood by considering the bottom of the capacitor in the schematic to be an AC signal, and the capacitor voltage is also AC and almost the same voltage level as the incoming line voltage. The cap having almost the same voltage and at reverse phase from the line, the AC voltage remaining is the voltage that runs everything. So it's like having a low voltage source at the bottom of the cap, provided of course that everything is working right. The capacitor provides energy storage so the efficiency is much better than using a resistor to drop the extra voltage.
I dont see why you would think that a fully charged battery becomes an open circuit. A discharged battery might be 2 volts, a fully charged battery 3 volts, both are low impedance. An open circuit (battery disconnected) is a very high impedance. That's a big difference.so if battery becomes fully charged , it would be same situation as no battery connected , then wouldnt circuit become dangerous ?
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Actually the risk of shock is with either terminal. One terminal is only 3v away from the other, so if one terminal is 200v the other is either 197v or 203v, either of which is still dangerous.oh i didnt knew that !
so the problem of electrical shock is with -ve terminal only and not with positive terminal ? because it is direct ! and voltage increase is in -ve terminal only.
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"Reactance" is not resistance, the cap stores energy which means at some point the cap puts energy back into the circuit making it look like a source. But that's not the point anyway, the point is that when we consider the bottom of the cap to be a voltage source it's just a simplification to make it easier to understand the circuit without going into detail about how the cap phase and voltage subtract from the mains supply. It's like a sort of AC battery, and two batteries in series is still a source.how can cap considered as voltage source when it is discharging in opposite direction, back into the mains supply ! it drops voltage because of its reactance and is out of phase with freq. of main supply .
Again, D2 polarity is correct as shown in diagram. LED does need to be reversed.
The second major problem is that the capacitor will take a huge current if the circuit is turned on near the peak of the mains cycle. You should add a 1k resistor in series with the supply to limit the turn-on surge.
total impedance is given by z=(r^2+Xc^2)^1/2The total impedance will be 1000 - j318.3; divide 217 VAC by that value and we get a current in the capacitor and in the 1k resistor of .2068 amps. The dissipation in the 1k resistor will be (.2068)^2*1000 = 42.76 watts. This would not be a good choice for the series current limiting resistance.
total impedance is given by z=(r^2+Xc^2)^1/2
so z= 947 ohms
so I= 0.229 Amps
i know its not that of a big difference
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