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General electronics is all much of a muchness

Flyback

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Hi,
Most places I work are bringing out incentives to keep electronics engineers in the job now. Air miles, Holiday home rentals, offers to work over 65 for increased pay, and in some cases pay rises. Can you say what your company is offering?
 
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Wow.
 
Hi Guys,
Please could we have an exerpt on “general analog hardware electronics and SMPS” companies stopping damaging themselves?

The owners of such companies are always reluctant to employ new engineers, lest those engineers then run off after seeing the company’s schems and then use them at other companies or competitors….of course, this is total utter nonsense.
This , as you know, is absolute nonsense, having people see the schems , then leave, and work at a competitor, matters not one jot……pretty much all general analog/SMPS companies use the same circuit theory, and any engineer who can understand the schems in one company, could understand them in all others….so its pointless to worry about engineers joining and then leaving.
I have worked at over 40 different electronics co’s, but that doesn’t mean I could compete with any of them on the basis of copying their schems….for one thing….I WOULD DEFFO NOT COPY THEIR SCHEMS……..i would always take a customer spec on face value and design fresh for it, using the widely known analog theories that are spewed all over the internet anyways. As you know, If you copy a schem, then that schem may not have been optimised for its purpose, etc etc.
And why does anyone need to copy a schem anyway?…….it would be like nicking your companies screw drivers so you could use them at a competitor company……why bother?…just use the screw drivers at the next company….they are the same.

So please, can we have a representation, to the industrial bodies, that general electronics companies stop damaging themselves by not cycling enough engineers through their company? And stop fretting over engineers coming in, and then leaving. It does zero damage, and because each engineer brings and drops off his/her own spectrum of knowledge, it is actually more beneficial....... The more the number of electronics engineers who have been cycled through any company, the greater the benefit to that company...the worst electronics companies that you go to, are always those that have only ever employed 1 or 2 electronics engineers....almost inevitably their schems are filled with mistakes, and their failure_return bins are full to overflowing. Thier production failure bins are brimming full.

Goodness knows…I was in the last week of a contract at one place, and a 250W power supply developed a fault…..the chief engineer declared…don’t let the contractor work on it because he’ll see the schem and take it to our competitors when he leaves next week……but the gaffer let me see it anyway because he was too busy…….and it literally turned out to be a linear regulator ……error amp into pass transistors…..bit of emitter degradation for sharing purposes….literally 12 year old kiddy electronics!

I am thinking of sending this to eg the “council for industry”, etc etc, but also to what ever bodies represent industrys in your own country.
You have a vivid imagination, which appears to me, at least, to be detached from reality. Every company I have ever worked for has always looked forward and never backward. Everybody's current products are yesterday's news. Nobody cares about them.
 
Seriously, to fret over an Electronic engineer coming in to a company and then leaving, is like having an electrician coming in to do some wiring...and then declaring...right!...you're not allowed to leave!....you might go and wire up our competitor's company...you are staying put!....
 
Seriously, to fret over an Electronic engineer coming in to a company and then leaving, is like having an electrician coming in to do some wiring...and then declaring...right!...you're not allowed to leave!....you might go and wire up our competitor's company...you are staying put!....
Ahhh......no, not the same at all.
 
Soon, those of us in the US won't have to worry about non-compete agreements. Luckily for the Tech industry, California declared non-competes unenforcable a long time ago.
 
Thanks, i wonder what you would class as a "competing company" in electronics.?.....supposing you were at an architectural lighting company, but then moved to a lighting company that did horticultural lighting......would that be under "non compete"?

Supposing the horticultural lighting company were secretly working on a new architectural lighting product....how would the original architectural lighting company know that anyway?
 
A plot in every corner. Are you sure you've considered them all yet?
 
Thanks, but the concern here is , not for myself, but for the owners of electronics companies who are throwing their money away for no reason, as i explain above.
I feel sorry for them, and am driven to help them.
Also, because they make less money, they pay less in taxation, which hampers the rest of us.
 
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Thanks, but the concern here is , not for myself, but for the owners of electronics companies who are throwing their money away for no reason, as i explain above.
I feel sorry for them, and am driven to help them.
Also, because they make less money, they pay less in taxation, which hampers the rest of us.

...And i know the electronics company owners are not stupid, ..they are making fortunes middle-manning in the Chinese electronics....but they could stop loosing so much money in their British "token" electronics business's if they took the advice above.
But yes , these folks are not stupid...they know that to get their hands in the pie of the "middle-man-millions-of-pounds", they have to maintain a British (or whichever country they are in) "token" electronics company....to "oil the wheels" of the electronics import business.
You have to have that "token" electronics presence.....makes you look like you know about electronics, so that people will place orders through you for the cheap Chinese Electronics imports.

I never forget working in one "token" electronics company...they were paranoid about people seeing their token electronics schems, and then leaving......their highest power product, was a 150W led lamp which used sequence switched linear regulators....they considered this the holy grail of secrets in electronics....nobody who saw the schem could leave the company....they even tried potting over it to "cover it up"....but it was so ruddy simple, that you could literally reverse engineer it just by simply looking at the mains input current waveform to it...........the mains input current, was stair-step sine.....There were 5 steps including the top plateau, and the current sloped smoothly up from ledge to ledge......so it was ruddy obvious that it was 5 linear regs that handed over to each other as the mains rose and fell over 10ms.....it was ruddy obvious that an inverting opamp was used to make the proceeding stage led current rise act so as to reduce the current of the preceeding stage...and then the proceeding stage, when in regulation, had its opamp output down low....so that was obviously used to turn a PNP on, and disable the preceeding stage.....i mean, it was just so obvious...you could have posted that schem over the world and it would have made no difference....bog standard electronics !!!....all already spewed out over the web anyhow.

These guys are making a massive mistake by not cycling loads of engineers through their companys....minimising the engineer count (throughput) does no good!

Please help me to help the electronics company owners.

And as for people taking out NDA's for bog standard SMPS topologies???!!!...madness...wasting their own time and money!

Was given a 150W single stage PFC to reverse engineer once..no schem as it was "top secret"....turned out to be the bog standard PFC bias coil supply...just with the boost diode made synchronous, and then they obviously had to add software to equalise the volt-seconds on the primary.......again...bog standard....and BTW, it dropped out on no load to full load transients....and had over 3x the rated ripple in the electrolytic......."top secret"
???
.......yeah right.......that company was likely just flogging that "top secret" as part of a token business........they likely make their real dosh from Chinese imports........interestingly, the "top secret" SMPS was also using a little HV Buck (SOIC8) bias supply chip....which had markings which were non identifiable in the western world....likely from their Chinese partner.
Once again, your vivid imagination and your detachment from reality are manifest.
 
None of them for very long, I wonder why? :D

More difficult to understand is how he ever gets employed in the first place?.
Some companies hire prodigiously and keep the ones that work out to their liking. They work long hours for very little pay and respond to the mushroom theory of management. That is:
  1. Keep 'em in the dark
  2. Feed 'em excrement
  3. Watch 'em grow
 

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