Want to make a 14 channel transmitter and reciever any idea'

[Roboticinfo]

Want to make a 14 channel transmitter and reciever any idea's

I want this project to be rf with at least 75' feet range.

Want to use a PIC

How would I go about doing this

Any idea's.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Re: Want to make a 14 channel transmitter and reciever any i

Want to make a 14 channel transmitter and reciever any idea's

I want this project to be rf with at least 75' feet range.

Want to use a PIC

How would I go about doing this

Any idea's.

Use licence free radio modules, these are easily (and cheaply) available, and some have ranges far exceeding 75 feet.

You need to provide some kind of transmission coding, Manchester is the one usually used - you can also get the modules with RS232 to Manchester coding included, these would make it a LOT! simpler. There doesn't seem to be a great deal of Manchester source code around, although there are a few examples!.

 

[Roboticinfo]

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You have to be a bit more specific, like what type of radio modules? because a radio module could be anything from a stereo to a rc car got to be more specific. Also website's that would sell this type of product or where I might find resource's to help me make it.

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

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You have to be a bit more specific, like what type of radio modules? because a radio module could be anything from a stereo to a rc car got to be more specific. Also website's that would sell this type of product or where I might find resource's to help me make it.

The specific part was 'licence free', the exact spec varies from country to country, and you may have more than one allocated band - commonly they are around 433MHz.

For a specific example try , but any decent component supplier will stock something similar, there are many manufacturers of them.

 

[Roboticinfo]

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You think I would be able to get 14 channels?

 

[pike]

14 different channels as in frequencies under a licence free scheme, no way. I wouldn't go digging around for that many different frequency TX/RX.

What exactly is it that you are trying to control??
How fast does the response of the channels have to be??
What Nigel is suggesting is that you take a PIC with 14 inputs, convert it into a serial data stream and send it out of a single pin of a chip.

It's a bit like morse code, you have one flashlight and flash it in a sequence and the reciever interprets the information into 14 channels. There is only one transmitter (one flashlight).

 

[Roboticinfo]

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Exactly that is not what I wanted.

Also, what I am doing is controling a multi purpose robot which I could activate him to be Autonomous, and disactivate him to be RC. I would have functions like light's on/off, a vacum cleaner, a button to send him to his charging station, and also a joystick to control his dc motor's and elec.

A general robot.

Also I would you the 14 channels for dc motors, vacum cleaners, relays and elec.

You get what I am saying

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

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Exactly the is not what I wanted.

Also, what I am doing is controling a multi purpose robot which I could activate him to be Autonomous, and disactivate him to be RC. I would have functions like light's on/off, a vacum cleaner, a button to send him to his charging station, and also a joystick to control his dc motor's and elec.

A general robot.

Also I would you the 14 channels for dc motors, vacum cleaners, relays and elec.

You get what I am saying

Yes, and the method I suggested is EXACTLY what you want.

It's how remote control works, you send some kind of serial data, and the receiver decodes it. Standard radio control (as used for cars and planes) uses successive pulses of differing width to indicate the positions of the servos.

By using a digital serial data stream you can send analogue or digital information, and as many channels as you want.

 

[Roboticinfo]

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So you are saying that I could have a more then 14 channels.

would the website you gave me above, have transmitter/reciever modules that would give me 14 channels?

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

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So you are saying that I could have a more then 14 channels.

would the website you gave me above, have transmitter/reciever modules that would give me 14 channels?

No, it has modules which give you a 'radio link', what you do with it is up to you - but using those modules you could easily create a 14 channel (or more) radio control system.

Perhaps you might be confused about 'channels'?, to give an example - a model car uses a two channel radio system, one for speed (negative speed is backwards, positive is forwards), and the other for direction (left/right). A model plane usually uses 4 channels, throttle, rudder, elevator, ailerons.

Your request for 14 channels implies you want to control 14 functions of a robot from a single control.

 

[mstechca]

There are two answers.

#1. Follow Nigels method (recommended)
#2. Use 14 different frequencies.

I would go against #2 because there is a 50% chance you will need a license to use the transmitters, PLUS, there may be more circuitry involved and the chances of error are much higher.

Use method 1.

All you need is only one frequency to work with. The key here is the data.

Let's say you have all sorts of things to control. Now if we labeled them like so:

1 = turn vacuum on
2 = turn vacuum off
3 = go forward
4 = go backward
5 = whatever else....
...
...

what you can do is assign each command to any binary number of your choosing, but make sure none of the commands use the same number.

You first need to count every single command the robot needs to impose, and determine how many things it can do at the same time. If it seems like every command can be done at the same time, then use the bits as switches. Here's an example:

Say you have 10 commands, and the robot must do nothing. You send this:

0000000000

Say that command 1 and command 3 must be done. Send this:

0000000101

You treat the bits as switches. When the bit is 1, the command is active.

These bits are what you transmit, and the robot decodes them.

 

[Boris]

Re: Want to make a 14 channel transmitter and reciever any i

Want to make a 14 channel transmitter and reciever any idea's

I want this project to be rf with at least 75' feet range.

Want to use a PIC

How would I go about doing this

Any idea's.

Hi!!
Two weeks ago I had this problem.
I used regular RF module.But for realize control 14 channals was used encoder and decoder from HOLTEK.Works very good.If you need more information let me know.

 

[Roboticinfo]

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Boris wrote:
Hi!!
Two weeks ago I had this problem.
I used regular RF module.But for realize control 14 channals was used encoder and decoder from HOLTEK.Works very good.If you need more information let me know.

Cool, does it do some of the function's I want like dc motor control, relay control and elec.

Also do you have the website where you got this stuff, and did it give you good range?

Is this all that you used in your project

1.Rf module
2.Encoder
3.Decoder

is there anything else that you might of forgot?

Which microcontroller did you use?

 

[Boris]

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Boris wrote:
Hi!!
Two weeks ago I had this problem.
I used regular RF module.But for realize control 14 channals was used encoder and decoder from HOLTEK.Works very good.If you need more information let me know.

Cool, does it do some of the function's I want like dc motor control, relay control and elec.

Also do you have the website where you got this stuff, and did it give you good range?

Is this all that you used in your project

1.Rf module
2.Encoder
3.Decoder

is there anything else that you might of forgot?

Which microcontroller did you use?

Hi!!!
I use RF moduls TXM-433-LC and RXM-433-LC-S.All information you can take on www.linxtechnologies.com
Information about Encoder and Decoder you can finde from www.holtek.com
I use encoder-HT640 and decoder HT648L.But I made small modification for control more than 15 comands,because those IC's has a 8 inputs and outputs.
If you need informatoion about modification give me your e-mail and I'll send all schematics. Becuse I can not post all my schematics in this window.
To control encoder and decoder you don't need use microcontroller.
I use microcontroler PARALLAX (PIC) for another functions.

 

[Roboticinfo]

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My e-mail is on the e-mail icon right by profile,www,e-mail

 

[TiagoSilva]

Hi, again, wy using 14 chanels for RC controling ? if you manage to send the data at some considerable speed you can send RS-232 or even your own comands and then back at the robot control the stuff, remember that the data in the processor is being processed at an very high speed it won't make that much diference !
An good example for you is like having a 14 bits ( parallel ) port working at 1Khz and 1 serial pin working at 14 Khz and even having the micro controler controling the hardware :\ what's the fuss ?! this way can be even better than having that mutch channels :\, and you don't need too mutch speed for controling stuff, wy don't you try 2 channels, one for data and the other for rc comands ?! It can also be a problem to find 14 channel transmitters even if there is one.
My guess is that you should take a look at the baud rates and then re-think :lol:, RS-232 sends data so fast that 14 bits will arrive in no time man.
oH with distance 14 channels might get a little mixed :lol: if not, the error processing system of the module, if any, will take even more time to fix the data :? have you ever tought abouth all that ???


Well, i hope i had put some lights on :lol: , cya

 

[Roboticinfo]

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Hey I am Portuguese to I am full blooded, Any way I want this to be mobile and not connected to a computer, I want a hand held device which will control the robot.

 

[TiagoSilva]

You are Portuguese ? There in USA ? You must get me some place to stay there someday, i could give a look at the states
Well, handheld you shall i guess that most handhelds have and RS-232 micro conector somewhere :? i saw that once, but if not then i am mistaken...
But give it a look.

I had a great ideia too :idea: just check this out :
1x BlueTooth USB Dongle
1x MIcroControler (PIC?) w/USB to control all or one USB to RS-232 Module
1x HandHeld w/BlueTooth

Like this you could not only spare money, but you could make a incredible small RC system with at minimum 10 Mtrs, but BluTooth v1.2 gets to 200Mtrs, the only problem is the programming needed :? i don't know how good you are with that... but here is the bet ideia you could get :lol:

 

[Roboticinfo]

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I want a remote control with a POT joystick and some flip and push buttons. Also I stated that I wanted to use RF only.

 

[pkshima]

I didnt quite get you. By 14 channels, did you mean you want to get 14 bits across at once ?
DTMF can help you get 4 bits across at once (i.e. 4 bits per 42 microseconds I guess). If thats good enough for you then you can
serialise your data and send or you can make 4 DTMF pairs to get 16 bits across at a time.

You can also look at the chips like HT12D and HT12E and others in that series from Holtek. But depends on whether you need 14 analogue channels or digital(binary) channels.