Are you saying that there is a conspiracy with the contrails? That they are purposely putting barium nitrate into the contrails?
Apparently, SV thrives on perpetuating doom & gloom news. Well, here's a website chocked full of "good news" that should send him cowaring under a desk in a fit of anxiety and panic.
Life is blissful and promising!
I've seen a plane do this myself. I think it has more to do with the plane passing through a warm updraft of air than any conspiracy theory. The only people getting sick are the people experiencing the turbulence on the plane!They are not contrails. Contrails come from the upper atmosphere where the temperature is colder. They are just an incidence of the heat exhaust being mixed with the cold air causing a form of condensation.
Look what they can do. This is not a natural event from condensation:
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I've seen a plane do this myself. I think it has more to do with the plane passing through a warm updraft of air than any conspiracy theory. The only people getting sick are the people experiencing the turbulence on the plane!
They are not contrails.
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It was a contrail that I saw do that. How do I know it was a contrail? Contrails form behind the aircraft by a small distance, which is discernible by eye, whereas a chemtrail would appear to emanate directly from the aircraft. Ever watched a crop dusting plane?That's not a contrail. Contrails disappear very quickly.
I am well aware of the woodpecker and recall many a night hearing it across the HF bands. Are you aware that flux density diminishes according to the inverse of the distance so it would be impossible to create a "storm" miles away without creating one right at the antenna site? So even if I believed you could change the weather with high power RF, which I don't, the decreasing field strength would nip the idea in the bud for me.Maybe we should begin with where and how this technology has come about. There are hams on here who will back me up about the "Woodpecker" from Russia. It was used as an over the horizon RADAR detection system. Here is a picture of it
I thought I noticed that too. I have seen this phenomenon with my own eyes though the transition between the contrail and the "gap" wasn't as abrupt.Mikebits said:This photo looks doctored in photoshop. Notice flaws in posted zoomed image.
This photo looks doctored in photoshop. Notice flaws in posted zoomed image.
I measured (With pshop) the Contrast change where the color/contrast looks abrupt. It was not linear as would be expected. Sudden shift in contrast indicates a bogus pic. Also the wires seem funky as well.
I am well aware of the woodpecker and recall many a night hearing it across the HF bands. Are you aware that flux density diminishes according to the inverse of the distance so it would be impossible to create a "storm" miles away without creating one right at the antenna site? So even if I believed you could change the weather with high power RF, which I don't, the decreasing field strength would nip the idea in the bud for me.
No, I think the greatest cover up, that is in plain sight, is the belief by the working stiff that our economy, population and society can expand forever without consequences. You'd be amazed how many people believe in that.
No, I think the greatest cover up, that is in plain sight, is the belief by the working stiff that our economy, population and society can expand forever without consequences. You'd be amazed how many people believe in that.
I know enough to have serious doubts about "heating up" the ionosphere with a 3600KW transmitter in the HF band. The biggest influence effecting the ionosphere is the Sun and it's 11 year Sun Spot cycle.Then I would have to assume that you know everything about electromagnetic resonance & what it can and cannot do. How is it that the HAARP is able to heat up the ionosphere since the harp is on the ground and the ionosphere is miles above?
The working stiffs are you, me and anyone else who works for a living. Yes, the solution is zero population growth, zero economic growth and zero development. But there are too many people chasing the easy money to make this work. ie: Today, if a business turns a profit but the profits don't increase every year, then it is punished by it's greedy shareholders who take their money elsewhere. You are talking about a conspiracy theory when you mention the HAARP, but I believe the greater conspiracy lies in the fact that the "working stiff" sees nothing wrong with the fact that the CEO of the company where he works makes 100 times his own wage. The CEO certainly doesn't put in 4000 hours a week now does he? The thing is not the wage disparity, but the fact that the "working stiff" sees nothing wrong with it.I was curious.....what brought that on? Who are the working stiffs? I suppose you have a better solution?
Contrails persist if the humidity is high. Google "contrail persistence". Of course, I'm sure you will tell us that the sources of these documents are either part of the conspiracy, or dupes of the conspirators.Now here is what contrails look like. I have chosen them from a distance so that you can see they disappear shortly after the plane passes.
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See how they disperse? They are not there long after the plane is gone.
I know enough to have serious doubts about "heating up" the ionosphere with a 3600KW transmitter in the HF band. The biggest influence effecting the ionosphere is the Sun and it's 11 year Sun Spot cycle.
The working stiffs are you, me and anyone else who works for a living. Yes, the solution is zero population growth, zero economic growth and zero development. But there are too many people chasing the easy money to make this work. ie: Today, if a business turns a profit but the profits don't increase every year, then it is punished by it's greedy shareholders who take their money elsewhere. You are talking about a conspiracy theory when you mention the HAARP, but I believe the greater conspiracy lies in the fact that the "working stiff" sees nothing wrong with the fact that the CEO of the company where he works makes 100 times his own wage. The CEO certainly doesn't put in 4000 hours a week now does he? The thing is not the wage disparity, but the fact that the "working stiff" sees nothing wrong with it.
Have you been up there with a thermometer? Shining a spot light on the clouds will "heat" them also, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.Then apparently you don't know too much because that is exactly what it does.
Right from the HAARP website:And where did you get the 3600 KW figure? That some old data. It's several megawatts even into the gigawatts.
How is advocating population/birth control genocide? If regulating industry is anti-capitalist then I guess I'm one. Just look how well the capitalist free for all system of oil companies supplying us with cheap energy is working.Oh, so now your talking genocide and anti-capitalism. You sure you aren't a Bilderberg? No, I hate greedy CEOs. I'm with you there. But the HAARP is not a CT. Did you see the OP?
Have you been up there with a thermometer? Shining a spot light on the clouds will "heat" them also, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
Right from the HAARP website:
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How is advocating population/birth control genocide? If regulating industry is anti-capitalist then I guess I'm one. Just look how well the capitalist free for all system of oil companies supplying us with cheap energy is working.Maybe I'm an anti-Bilderberg.
What Effects Are Produced By HAARP?
A portion of the energy contained in the high frequency radio wave transmitted by HAARP can be transferred to existing electrons or ions making up the ionospheric plasma through a process called absorption, thus raising the local effective temperature. As an example, the typical electron temperature at a height of 275 km (the peak of the F2 region) may be on the order of 1400°K. [2]. Work at other active ionospheric research facilities has shown that it is possible to raise this temperature by as much as 30% within a small, localized region during an experiment. The affected region would then temporarily display electrical characteristics different from neighboring regions of the layer. Sensitive scientific instruments on the ground can then be used to study the dynamic physical properties of this region in great detail.
You do? What do I get if you're wrong? Maybe I'll just go up there with my 10MW bird watt meter and insert it inline on the RG58 antenna feed line at the PL259 connector.I promise you it is way more that 3600 KW.
You should have read further:But since you were on their site, how is it you did not see the part where they heat the ionisphere?
From section:"What Are the Effects of HAARP on the Ionosphere?"
But you have to use your noggin here.
Compare this with the decrease in electron density that occurs naturally through a large portion of the nighttime F region (shown in the blue curve) of 500,000 cm-3 or less and it is clear that active ionospheric heating cannot duplicate what happens naturally, even within the small affected region directly over the facility.
Why not? I can hear them anyway when I forget my tinfoil hat. Why would the little voices lie to me?You really didn't expect the gov't to just give you all their dirty little secrets right out in the open did you.
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