can HV fire off a HI

[Dr_Doggy]

i will accept your judgement however i need you to specify which aspects are offset...

all i have heard is that these are scams, but what makes it a scam, which part? fine scam , but it still breaks down water, so then we need to ask "how well does it do that"??


are you saying that HHO will not break down pure water? maybe that is the part im missing..

 

[DerStrom8]

HHO will not break down water. I have no idea where you got that idea.

Electrolysis breaks the bonds between the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms, thus turning each back into its own gaseous state. The scam part is where people are trying to say it's some magical process that can give you a ton of energy from just a glass of water, but the fact is that you have to put as much energy into the water to break up the atoms as you'll ever get out (you'll actually get less out), so it's not going to be worth the conversion.

That's only the beginning.

 

[Dr_Doggy]

that was typo:
are you saying that HHO METHOD will not break down pure water? maybe that is the part im missing..


yes exactly,

The scam part is where people are trying to say it's some magical process that can give you a ton of energy from just a glass of water,

(you'll actually get less out)

but again , which gives you more of less with the same input power:
2volts and some salt
or these HHO production cells

maybe they are identical?

 

[tcmtech]

In truth making HHO is the same as making Browns gas of which the electrolysis and science behind it are well defined and sound.

The sacm is the what where and how it gets applied to do something else along with the mystery science that apparently only works for the one person selling the idea or concept but can not ever be replicated in a laboratory under real scientific analysis.

As far as what electrolysis method is most efficient that again is largely relevant to what electrolyte and power source you are using to do the electrolysis with. Without defining your power source specs and what electrolytic solution you are using there is no way to give any rational answer.

So far your questions are like me asking you how long will it take to move the dirt in my yard? You have no way of being able to answer that being you have no idea what the actual composition of the dirt is, how much of it I have to move, what I have available to move it with, or how far I have to move it.

There is a guy selling a system online that will move all of my dirt for $19.95 do you think it will work? He claims it does for him!

 

[Dr_Doggy]

good exactly, understood and agreed, scam,scam

As far as what electrolysis method is most efficient that again is largely relevant to what electrolyte and power source you are using to do the electrolysis with. Without defining your power source specs and what electrolytic solution you are using there is no way to give any rational answer.

BOTh 16 watts

EXP A)
brown model
controlled voltage by current to maintain 16watts
convention, baking soda or salt electrolyte, stainless steel


EXP b)
following this model\the bendini hybrid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1PfmTheFM
i dont want to use electrolyte, as in the example


unfortunately example B does not give concrete output levels, so lets first look at example A, how much production would we see from example A using convention, if these are practiced methods then we can get a output rate of how much is made, along with a visual analysis of all the little bubbles,
now let us compare the visual analysis from said example a with the visual observation we got from example B in the video, would there be a visual difference in our output production?


i am asking what machine digs best, doesn't break down, and wont cost a arm and leg in fuel(electricity)(compared)

 

[tcmtech]

The most common used electrolytes in commercial electrolysis machines are Sodium Hydroxide and Potassium Hydroxide, NaOH and KOH.

Neither of those turn into a gas when electrolyzed and are stable.

 

[Dr_Doggy]

TY TCM, i now see what my error in communication was, from now on i will refer to these process by their proper names, Brown Gas and Flyback circuits. and not give any more credit to the scammers.

it was also unknown to me about those types of electrolytes, i figure this is the best way if commercial is doing it as such, KOH im going to assume its not publicly available , and unfortunately i checked the stores for lye, which it too dangerous for shelf too.

but observing that, i got to ask,, what if i ran my brown gas machine with water and salt, if there is chlorine being produced does that mean that after all the Cl is gone i'd be left with the NaOH, (sounds Acidic) but this acidic water would be my ideal electrolyte?

also if that is so and the electrolysis process does reduce out the chlorine, what happens to the NaOH, what would it take to break that compound down? (my first guess is more volts)(second guess is more heat) ??

another thing i am now questioning is the way these Houdini guys are arranging their plates, if production is related to current, than all this added surface area on the electrode plates really dont do much either?

 

[tcmtech]

KOH and NaOH are on the shelf. You just have to know their common names.

KOH is found in the gardening department under the name PotAsh.

NaOH is better known as Red Devil Drain cleaner and is found in the plumbing department.

 

[Dr_Doggy]

k, will look around , but my question about the Cl and Na remains,

*I am asking this because im reading about HTE, high temp electrolysis, and pretty much they are saying that as temp goes up electrolysis becomes more efficient.. and in fact will break up without electricity if hot enough

so i know that you are saying that NaOH is "totally stable" but would this compound break up with enough heat due to Thermolysis

 

[tcmtech]

NaOH melts at around 600 F and boils at around 2500 F. I am not too concerned at this point.

 

[Dr_Doggy]

understood, can only find draino on ebay, either way im not going to physically do this experiment anyway




EDIT: silence is golden....




what if we used water instead of the NaOH, water is weaker, lighter and less stable, would we see our compounds break down then?


PLAN B) now scratched:
pure water is dielectric, so it has a capacitance, it was just a theory that the bendini guy was on to something when he created his flyback circuit around the Browns Gas device . forming domains or something technical, and bumping up efficiency. Much like Tesla and the RF successors did when they discovered that AC travels better than DC. i just notice that things in nature travel more in circles i understand this is just a wild guess that is off.