hi Logan,i just wanted to say bye as well and thank you
There was a time if you read back a year or two ago where a thread normally had a little **** chat within and sometimes wondered from the path, but rarely was that seen as a problem and more people therefore responded to a thread, hence you get a feeling of COMMUNITY .
...the forum to me now feels more like a technical question and answer place, you have a technical question you ask it as concisely and possible
i shouldnt have signed in and read replies but i did, i will respond to this because it's actually condensed in my mind what i was feeling but unable to express. The point i tried to make but dont think i got across was it used to feel like a hobbyist type forum where the humble hobbyist to come to get help from some truly exceptional engineers. Now it feels more like a engineering forum with little room for the hobbyist.I don't sense that the foundation of our community has changed. For example, look at Audioguru's recent thread on survival.
What perhaps has changed, is a sense of decreased tolerance for comments about individuals, which occasionally even descended into psychoanalysis of their motives. I feel that change is absolutely in the right direction. In other words, if you don't like the way a question is asked or feel the question is too basic, let it be. No one is under any obligation to respond to any post. Albeit, once one gets involved in a thread, it becomes harder simply to ignore the drift, and frustrations can find their way into the responses. I think our moderators have been excellent at distinguishing the latter from unprovoked and more hurtful attacks on others.
I see that as a good change. Good questions get good responses. I don't believe for one instant that the motive behind encouraging good questions is, "so as not to waste others time." It is simply to facilitate better answers. There are plenty of social media available, if that is what one wants.
You do point to a concern I have felt as well, namely activity on ETO seems to be lower than it was a year or so ago. I hope that is temporary and maybe just represents a transition for ETO. Another technically oriented forum, EDA Board has very high activity -- higher than ETO and AAC combined. One should note that even in the OT/chat area of EDA Board, threads need to be technical.
I hope to see both of you back. I am anxious to learn of LG's progress soon.
John
i shouldnt have signed in and read replies but i did, i will respond to this because it's actually condensed in my mind what i was feeling but unable to express. The point i tried to make but dont think i got across was it used to feel like a hobbyist type forum where the humble hobbyist to come to get help from some truly exceptional engineers. Now it feels more like a engineering forum with little room for the hobbyist.
to sum up i think this quote is important
"I see that as a good change. Good questions get good responses. I don't believe for one instant that the motive behind encouraging good questions is, "so as not to waste others time." It is simply to facilitate better answers. There are plenty of social media available, if that is what one wants."
hobbyist rarely ask good questions we often are unsure of exactly what it is we are asking, RB mentioned the lack of fun projects etc, these mainly came from hobbyist, most probably because a trained engineer will often choose a pre made solution to a problem, mainly i suspect because they see reinventing the wheel as pointless, after all there is little point in spending more money to accomplish something that can be accomplished with something already available. The hobbyist however has a different motivation, often the need to be efficient or choose the best way is of less importance than the satisfaction of actually building something just for the shear hell of it and the joy of the experience.
yes i agree with you forums change and i said as much, i am pleased that the direction of change pleases you and others. But some of us prefer the more relaxed hobbyist type place this once felt like.
lets face it the likes of myself and others who have gone is not important, ETO will continue to thrive for as long as there are the quality of engineers that there is now on here.
This is the precise reason I don't use this forum as much as I used to. I was "moderated" a couple of times for introducing some humour (indirectly relevant to the the thread in one case I may add) and had my posts deleted.no more **** chat no more daring to step outside the rigid confines of the OP's original question.
This is the precise reason I don't use this forum as much as I used to. I was "moderated" a couple of times for introducing some humour (indirectly relevant to the the thread in one case I may add) and had my posts deleted.
I still hang around and flick through the posts and occasionally join in but I agree - it isn't the same.
misterT:
I also refuse to read/answer txt spk mesgs. E
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