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much oddness going on, i have rebuilt the board five or six times exactly the same way each time and no luck! then the seventh time bingo it works, so i assume the bread board is on the way out or its just one of those things, thanks alot eric at least now we have a better idea how to use transistors and trouble shoot them. i am starting to dislike bread boards as this is a long way from being the first time i have had trouble that ends up being down to a iffy board!
thats kind of funny I have one thats maybe 20 to 25 years old can't remember. It's never let me down, but one of the new one's will.I bought 25 years ago with no problems.