# What is the best proggramer for AVR Atmel?

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#### Kingdom Man

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Hello, I am new to all this and would like some help picking a programmer for the AVR Atmel processors. If you have suggestions that would be great!

#### davidbball13

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I highly reccomend the AVRISP MKii. Perfect price. Does exactly what you need. So easy to work with. Or if you like soldering there is the USBtinyISP from Ladyada. can be found here
USBtinyISP - Inexpensive USB AVR Programmer

The only difference between the 2 are
A Price.
B The USBtinyISP can provide power to the circuit.

Good luck!
David

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Did the ISP go up? I payed like 27 dollars for my last one. A good robust solution is the STK500, but it's a bit complex for a beginner, and more expensive than the Dragon, but still a very nice broad specirum programmer and lots of headers built in. The big problem with the Dragon is you have to solder on your own headers to do anything so you do need a bit more experiance than with a simpler device.

I wouldn't recommend the pony prog programmers they're more of a hassle for many people than they're worth, and the AVRISP programmers are solid reliable devices and inexpensive.

#### davidbball13

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Did the ISP go up? I payed like 27 dollars for my last one. A good robust solution is the STK500, but it's a bit complex for a beginner, and more expensive than the Dragon, but still a very nice broad specirum programmer and lots of headers built in. The big problem with the Dragon is you have to solder on your own headers to do anything so you do need a bit more experiance than with a simpler device.

I wouldn't recommend the pony prog programmers they're more of a hassle for many people than they're worth, and the AVRISP programmers are solid reliable devices and inexpensive.
I second the STK500 but it is a little complicated but it does come with a few micros with it. Another problem is it uses the serial port for programming. And most modern OS's and computers don't have them or don't handle them very well. MKii is perfect for the bigginer but if you are willing to spend a little extra dough than the MKii

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All modern OS's fully support the serial port, and legacy free machines that don't have the hardware ports installed can easily have them added via a decent quality serial to USB adapter.

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One warning with the STK500... The reason it looks so intimidating is it has so many sockets, mind you only one can be used at a time... NEVER switch sockets and forget to remove the old chip when you start programming on a new one... I've lost at least two hours of debug time trying to figure out why my code wouldn't program until I realized I had TWO chips on the board at the same time.