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#### duffy

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I think Vista was written by a bunch of gay, left coast, interior decorators!
They would have done a much better job. This thing was clearly written by a bunch of conservatives who voted for Bush and think the universe popped into existence during "creation week".

#### Torben

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They would have done a much better job. This thing was clearly written by a bunch of conservatives who voted for Bush and think the universe popped into existence during "creation week".
At least it would have looked good.

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Torben, what were the FULL (and I do mean FULL) system specs on the Vista machines you've had trouble with? My Vista machine looks good and runs great. But I knew what I was getting into with Vista before I got it. It was marketed at first on machines that couldn't REALLY run it properly. Microsofts fault for advertising it that way, vendors fault for believing them even though they knew better (and they did) there are even official complaints from hardware makers. Users fault for believing someone is going to sell you somethign and tell you all the catches. Buyer beware.

Also if you really hate Vista for it's bloatwareness, you can get an installation disk maker at vLite - Windows Vista configuration tool that will make a custom Vista installation disk with whatever drivers an bit you want available.

#### Torben

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Torben, what were the FULL (and I do mean FULL) system specs on the Vista machines you've had trouble with? My Vista machine looks good and runs great. But I knew what I was getting into with Vista before I got it. It was marketed at first on machines that couldn't REALLY run it properly. Microsofts fault for advertising it that way, vendors fault for believing them even though they knew better (and they did) there are even official complaints from hardware makers. Users fault for believing someone is going to sell you somethign and tell you all the catches. Buyer beware.
Let's see. . .160GB hdd; Intel Core 2 Duo @ 2.2GHz; 2GB RAM; etc. It's an ASUS G1S gaming rig; more than capable of handling Vista's requirements with everything turned on. Vista's own hardware checker passed it with flying colours (not that I trust it).

I'm capable of determining what should be required for an OS to run. Vista's problems were in no way related to being hardware-bound; I can run Compiz with all effect turned up to 11, several simultaneous videos, WinXP in VMWare workstation with 3D editing applications running, all simultaneously. Vista's performance was OK (if more sluggish than it should have been); games etc. ran just fine (if they ran at all, and if the language pack keyboard combos didn't kick me into Korean during a pitched firefight).

The problems were, again, not related to an underpowered machine (although Vista did take more resources than it should have). Network file copies: not processor or memory-bound; not the issue (somewhat related to the fact that Vista moronically wanted to calculate the transfer sizes before beginning, using a retarded algorithm which would block for up to 5 minutes before the first copied bytes hit the wire). Language pack issues: not processor or memory-bound; not the issue. Ugly interface: not processor or memory-bound, just damned bad design and drawing skills.

Also if you really hate Vista for it's bloatwareness, you can get an installation disk maker at vLite - Windows Vista configuration tool that will make a custom Vista installation disk with whatever drivers an bit you want available.
The problem isn't with bloatedness; it's with the fact that Vista offers nothing which is worth putting up with its drawbacks. I am aware of the Vista Lite offerings; I just can't think of a single thing which Vista offers which I want, or which would make it worth the effort. WinXP did everything I needed, with less effort, fewer resources, and anything it couldn't handle, Linux could. Now I find that Linux and WinXP in a VM gives me everything I need.

I'm a rookie with electronics. I am not a rookie with computers.

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#### DirtyLude

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The big problem is half the machines (or better) that Vista was originally released on and many current PC's aren't capable of running all of Vista's features particularly Aero which requires a DX10 capable card. There's still a lawsuit going on about that whole deal, not sure if it's gained class action status yet but I don't think so.
Vista does not require a dx10 capable card, but it does require a card better than some of the most basic integrated graphics solutions can handle.

The file copy issue was resolved quite a while ago. Well, not totally resolved. I think XP still has a marginally faster copy.

I would agree that Vista offers very little. With 4gigs and 64bit, I'm pretty pleased with the performance enhancement from Superfetch, though.

#### HarveyH42

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Well, I'm back on the XP machine. The Vista started dropping my wireless internet connection, progressively getting more frequent, until I couldn't connect at all. The WiFi adapter is working fine on the XP (using it now). Decided to go through and remove all the crap off the Vista machine I didn't use, expired, or basically worthless. It's been uninstalling Norton, for a little over two hours now... Task Manager and Resource Monitor show lots of activity, CPU around 64%, HD light stays on and flickers occasionally. Really hate this, feels like Norton is beating the hell out of my system on it's way out. Not too sure what to do, figure probably better off letting run. There is no Cancel button, interrupting might create a much bigger mess.

The strange thing, is that I haven't had any major problems with Vista, been using that computer daily for about 8 months. Pretty damn sure it's a software problem, and related to the recent updates. Have to figure out how to roll it back again, but block the updates from re-installing. Just stick with the XP machine for a while, wasted too much time this weekend on Vista.

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I stand corrected, it requires a DX9 card, and I wouldn't use a slow one.

#### bryan1

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Well I just bought my son a laptop for school and the only vendor who would sell me a laptop with XP Pro on was our local computer guy who works from home. I was a bit peeved that he wouldn't give a xp disk instead he did apartition to do a full re-install not if but when it's needed. Fair enough it wasn't the latest power hungry laptop but just a celery based one and @ \$800 Oz with a gig of ram I seem to think it was a decent deal.

When I was looking in one of the biggest retailers in Oz the sales ****** was trying to tell a gal vista was the only OS to work on these newer computers. When I told that ****** how about I bring in a live CD with linux on and show how much of a bullcrap artist you are, he said try that and I'll ring the cops. Needless to say that gal asked me outside the shop and I sent her to my local computer guy who sold her a top of the range laptop with XP pro on. The reason she needed xp was where she worked they refused to support or use vista.

What this world needs is one huge class action that will bankrupt microshyte and the world will be a better place for it. Afterall wasnt it a crooked deal that got that geek going in the first place.

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Great idea bankrupt a company so they can't support software that almost 90% of home, and 50% of servers PC's use. If someone else had that kind of market share they'd be screwing something else up just as bad or worse. Not being able to get XP on 'lower end' machines is really stupid though. Ehh, you should be wishing Microsoft screws more stuff up, people will use something else at some point.

#### Mikebits

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Last xmas I bought my wife an EEE PC at Best Buy. They are no longer pushing Vista on all systems. The system came with XP.

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