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This thread started at Windows10, Fear and Loathing thread, http://www.electro-tech-online.com/threads/windows-10-fear-and-loathing.146903/page-5#post-1254852, but as it was off topic I moved it here.

Stupid question: do "pub" mean always only alcoholic beverages and no food? The few I knew at Dublin, Liverpool, Porstmouth and (not sure if) at London, seemed a place just for drinking, and chatting a LOT (at various degrees of loudness)...not a good place to concentrate on the IDE of choice. :joyful:

Not a 'stupid' question.

Pub is short for Public House, a formal definition used for alcohol licensing laws. In the UK you simply cannot sell any form of alcohol without a license.

Pubs can be owned by a company and the landlord is a manager (managed), rented from a company and run by a landlord (tied house), and owned by a landlord (free house). The latter is rare now. Modern-built pubs tend to be formulaic and uninteresting, but the older pubs have real character. At one time, there was a pub within walking distance of your home in most towns but the majority have closed, and it is not surprising because, on average, they were unbelievably dire. The strict drink driving laws have had a major negative impact on beer sales, especially in the country. You see a lot of soft drinks, tea, and coffee being drunk rather than beer in pubs now. Pubs even sell non-alcoholic beer.

Pubs were essentially male-only preserves where you drank, smoked, played darts, cards, dominoes, skittles (nine-pin bowling), or pool and put the world to rights with your drinking mates. It tended to be a haven away from the humdrum of work or the domestic scene . Women were allowed in, but only if they were one of the chaps. There was food, but only pies, sandwiches, and crisps (chips). The bigger pubs had a lounge in addition to the bar room. The lounge was still pretty basic but it had carpets and easy chairs and was where you might take your missus on Saturday nights.

There are still pubs like that, but many bigger pubs have morphed into family-friendly places where food is served and drinking is secondary. At one time a woman would never go in a pub alone but in these pubs nobody would notice. Some of these pubs feature carverys where a chef carves meat from about four joints: beef, turkey, pork, lamb, and you help yourself to the spuds, greens, gravy etc. Carveries can be incredible value.

Live music pubs are normally packed and good fun, with much heavy drinking and an even mix of male and female, old and young. I go to such a pub: The Old Duke in Bristol.

Other pubs, in addition to their normal trade, focus on a certain areas: history society, local help, darts league, skittles league, and increasingly so, pub quizzes. Some pubs, both in the country and in towns, are the center for the local community.

Then there are the young pubs/clubs where both boy's and girl's objectives are to get completely legless and generally have a wild time, in more ways than one These places nearly always have a dance floor, ranging from tiny to football (soccer) pitch dimensions, and an extremely loud disco. Friday and Saturday nights are the wildest. In towns the cops assemble outside on the street ready to break up fights (both sexes) and dispatch the dangerously intoxicated (both sexes) to hospital. There is also a Black Maria to transport serious transgressors (both sexes) to jail for the night, before facing a special court the next morning.

Select pubs, normally in the country, are essentially up-market restaurants with matching cuisine and prices. When we were on expenses these were favorites.

In complete contrast, there is the darker side of pub life, the criminal underworld: stolen goods, drugs, prostitutes, people trafficking, guns, and so on. If you are a people-watcher these pubs are fascinating but you have to be very careful what you do.

So to answer your question atferrari, there is now a wide range of pubs in the UK, but still only about 20% are any good (that figure keeps cropping up).

UK pubs would be excellent places for experiencing a wide range of IDEs :cool::cool:







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