Press-n-Peel PCB problem

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mvs sarma said:
With such problems and the printer shops refusing to do even at % times the normal charge, i felt insulted and went ahead owning HP P1007 laser printer.
Ignorance (India) Unlimited, i used to call these people
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ohh really.....I am simply predicting)
 
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Hi

I am going to buy Deskjet printer(HP all in one 2120) as it is in my budget and also all in one. So please tell me is it suitable for my PCB prints outs.That I have to transfer to the Copper clad. Or its only can be done through laser printer ?

Is there is really a big difference ?

Any help is strongly appreciated.

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Gaurav Sharma
 

Deskjet printers are inkjet printers, not laser/toner. The ink won't transfer with heat, and water soluble. Nope it won't this way, maybe photo etching, but doubtful.

HP's online store usually has a laser printer for under $100 USD, with their monthly specials, sometimes free shipping as well. Pretty sure they ship worldwide. This how I got mine, Laserjet 1020, and it hasn't jammed, and prints great. On my second toner cartridge (seems to last for ever). The cartridge that came with printer produced great PCBs every time (well, except for a few thumb prints...). The second cartridge was a recycled deal, $20 cheaper than the original, which is around $65. Refills are for paper only, but doesn't transfer well to copper. Maybe just the company I got mine from, but isn't worth saving $20, since I still had to buy another for making PCBs, and have to swap them out...
 
Replacement Toner Cartridge ..........


The replacement cartridge for my HP Laser Jet 1018 is a Remanufactured Toner Cartridge from North Bay Toner Company that I paid less than $35 for, it works as good for toner transfer as the original HP Cartridge! And it has more toner than the original.
I have used it daily now for over a year for all my printing and PCB toner transfer projects.
 
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So you mean your prints of Schematic not transferred well to PCB well even though u r used laser....

n after that which printer did u buy to make it work...??

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Gaurav Sharma
 
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Will find the website, and keep them in mind. Think I'm good on toner for a while. Been using my refilled for well over a year, doesn't seem to be running out. The HP only has a few boards out of it, should last a year or so after the refill, but might try one from North Bay, almost half the price of the new ones, and just continue swapping if it doesn't work out.
 
gaurav_sharma132 said:
So you mean your prints of Schematic not transferred well to PCB well even though u r used laser....

n after that which printer did u buy to make it work...??

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Gaurav Sharma
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I bought a new toner cartridge from HP, still using the recycled cartridge for paper printing. Different laser printers use different melt temperature toner, something to do with print speed. Guessing the recycled cartridge was filled with something that works in a wide range, and good for office memos, or stuff that gets read, then filed (trash can)...

A laser printer is a pretty good investment, the toner cartridge last a long time at home, over a year one the low capacity that comes with it, going on two with my first replacement. Actually cheaper than inkjet, just no color, but I have a small photo printer for that.

Magazine paper and an iron... Sounds like a lot of work. I use Pulsar paper and a laminator.


This link should help you understand the process.
 
If you have a toner copier machine you can print with the ink jet and then copy it and use the copy. Take it to work maybe, etc.

I have done this in a pinch (no toner in my laser printer).
 
mramos1 said:
If you have a toner copier machine you can print with the ink jet and then copy it and use the copy. Take it to work maybe, etc.

I have done this in a pinch (no toner in my laser printer).
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No, I didn't have any toner copier machine......
I Simply want to use magazine paper and iron................

Is it work for Inkjet printer ...?

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Gaurav Sharma
 
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As you are talking of pulsar paper it is not available here. I have to order it online. It costs to me and I don't have much money to spend. As already spent on other equipment related to PCB designing.
So I will use Magazine paper and iron...
Tell me one thing if the toner of inkjet printer can be transferred to the copper clad using magazine paper ?
Or it can only done by Laser printer...

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Gaurav Sharma
 
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Toner transfer only works with laser printer !

From 4 pages ago on this thread

 
I posted the link to the Pulsar paper, so you could read about the process, an why an INKJET PRINTER will not work!!! You can still use any kind of paper, it's the same process. Pulsar paper gives good, consistent results on the first try, and my personal choice.

TONER is a PLASTIC that is melted onto the paper, which you re-melt with the iron onto the copper. You then soak it in water, the paper falls off, leaving the toner on the copper.

INKJET printers use water based INKS, which don't transfer well once dried (seconds after printed). Any contact with water or chemicals will remove the ink, long before the copper can etch.

Why is it so difficult to get this? Eight pages, later and you still don't know the difference between toner and ink? My opinion, you probably shouldn't be handling chemicals to etch copper, and probably still pick up the metal end of the soldering pencil...
 
using ink jet for pc boards method

use dehydrated chemicals for etching and dehydrated water for rinsing the boards.

comprenday??

LOL

you must use a laser printer to do a toner transfer method
 
My recycle bin is full of dehydrated water bottles. Will sell them cheap. HarveyF42, don't jinx us. Just the thought of hurricanes just bugs me.
 
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mramos1, I also have had excellent results with P-n-P on all size boards and I use an iron despite having two laminators sitting here next to me.
But I must make a few comments.

1) I use a copper cleaner, fast an easy, rinse and dry with paper towel, don't touch copper surface with fingers. No solvent needed.
2) De-burring an absolute must.
3) Max heat can be to hot and cause the toner to (cook) make pit holes. Recommended heat is 300°F , +- 25°F, some irons get hotter than that, mine does. Caused much trouble until I found right setting.
4) I use a clean piece of paper on top of the P-n-P, makes the iron glide easier. I also use a wooden cutting board with about a dozen pages of news paper on top to place my PCB & P-n-P on, this helps to retain the heat and seems to help distributing it more evenly.
If your PCB is not perfectly flat make sure that you try to follow the curvature with your iron.

This work so well that I get 99.99% good boards.

Rolf

P.S. You should be able to get your PCB design from the computer to the drill-press in about 30 minutes.
 
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Can some tell me the difference between Laser and Inkjet...like no. of print out per toner or ink, maintenance, life, toner or ink prices etc..

Also suggest me Laser printer under Rs 5500 or $117.

Any help is strongly appreciated.

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Gaurav Sharma
 
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