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My Reasons Why I Am Here

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Thank you for allowing me to post, as I see my introduction has been posted!
I feel that if members are allowed to unwind, they must also feel relaxed and be able to introduce themselves to other members, as to be able to socialise and understand that bit better the recipients aims for joining such a forum?

Who Am I?
To be able to decide who wants to talk to me, I am a Psychic as well as a researcher. This introduction normally gets me warnings as folks seem to dislike (notice I have not said hate?) those who have a metaphysical understand into the supernatural. Most engineers are 'Nuts and Bolts' minded and like to physically take things to bits and do not understand that which they cannot visualise (notice I said visualise and not see). I had learnt that when I took my Mechatronics Degree in BSc about twenty years ago. My knowledge with electronics has now reached an all time low compared to before, as i hope most will understand that being 66 years old, one tends to forget.

The Reason Why I am Here and Not There?
Good question! (BTW..How am I doing so far?) Well......the problem that I had been having is in relation to my spirit detection devices. I started of into Electronic Voice Phenomena (EVPS Ahhh...that has stumped you guys...lol) Then I moved on to the Electroscope. Two devices that can pick up etheric energy (what the heck is that?...Never mind at this stage)
Members may have started noticing that I am talking to myself a bit? That is normal, because I normally talk to the walls which answer back on my equipment. Paranormal forums are usually debunking stations and give me a hard time.

It is impossible to talk, because I have to keep moving away from the subject that I am talking about and have to give reasons for my mentality. All sorts of stabs come my way about 'love' 'selfishness' egos, meditation and being spaced out...until I start to wear down a bit because the Ghost Box that I want to discuss which has revolutionised the world of micro technology since computers is just met with emptiness. Perhaps that can be forgiven, after all, these are just paranormal guys who debunk ghosts?

Problems
The real problems that I encounter are not ghosts and evil spirits but people. I am literally sacred of saying the wrong words and breaking the law which could get me arrested. They pick on me, because my ideas are strange and the slightest thing I may say wrong gets me ...hmmm...well let us say into trouble. I do not mean to be that way..it just happens!

The word that I am looking for is called :- plagiarism

A scary word that gives me the shakes because no one really knows what it means?
Difficulty is that everyone could be breaking the law without knowing it, but when your views are adverse. you get to hear it a lot! My knowledge on plagiarism is now vast and I even know more than the' a*m******tor' (notice I have not used a word here, because that very word is banned..lol)

Making the projects

Great difficulty cos I can sued!!! using someone's components is asking for trouble. Not necessarily a boxed component, but things like resistors, FETS and capacitors in your project without the manufacturer's permission. Okay:- "Get it "you will say. Off to C*ina to find the manufacturers of 1000 components together with 1000 letters..oh well.

"Ahh...but everyone is the same!" Not when you are making a Ghost Box which defies science and breaks all the theoretical values why it works when it should not?

There you go....end of reasons and thank you for reading. Now if I am still here, I will continue to talk about my project in the appropriate section (I hope)

George
 
Welcome. All sorts around these parts ;).

I'm interested to know why you think you can get sued if you use some passive components in your products without permission?

Must be tough to live with your level of paranoia though I'm sure.
 
Must be tough to live with your level of paranoia though I'm sure.

Paranoia, likely multiple personalities, hallucinations and adult level ADD/ADHD too.

Toss in poor understandings or capacity to entirely grasp the common social construct rule sets of society and I can see where he's coming from. :(

I'm not a expert in psychology, psychopathy and the like but I went through a lengthy run of dealing with apparent mental disorder development with my now ex before we divorced.

Reality takes a back seat to bizarre and unfounded false reasoning, false general relation and false validification to support a wild, weird and all around highly skewed perception of reality that defies all basic rational sense to a normal person.

For example, For a while my Ex thought that she was one of the smartest most intelligent people in the world (still does) despite all valid basic IQ and like cognitive tests she initially used to prove it clearly showed otherwise (~IQ 90 - 95) .
Therefore they were wrong and not only were they wrong, people like me, who can and do score far higher on those real tests (in the levels she thought she should be in, ~130+), and even the fake ones made to make dummies feel smarter, obviously could not be human or if they/we were, we were of a different race that lives for thousands of years in order to have picked up our knowledge we have. :confused:

I was outrightly and publicly accused of both many times right in front to four family and friends.:(

She was also diagnosed with diabetes or at least the very high end of early onset of it yet totally denied it because according to her horoscopes and astrology charts and whatever else showed she would never get such a disease as well. The doctors had to be wrong. :banghead:

On the bad days, in her mind it all apparently made perfect sense and it was everyone else who was wrong for what any rational minded person would easily see as being total denial and nonsensical thinking to avoid the realities of that she had a problem or several.
All known treatable ones that, unfortunately, would require moderate changes in self discipline motivation, exercise plus improved diet, (actually having and using them herself regularly).
Stuff no one but her could do for her, a person who felt the world should do everything for. Stuff I have done and lived by all my life yet clearly in her mind not doing well enough being 'spiritual osmosis' to take from me and give to her without her actually dong much of anything for herself was not working making me the bad guy in all of it.

And yes she too had 'ghosts or spirits' who came to visit and talk to her. As one example, my deceased mother did and always sided with her about 'what I was doing wrong with my life'. Believe me the things 'mom's ghost' was siding with her on were not things my real mom ever would have said or went against. :(
 
I am getting the normal rude comments...which has to be expected I suppose, but I will try and answer this point.

Firstly this has to be expected in the world of materialistic ways. Cos things either fit or break.
Metaphysical adaption into a materialistic world always has it's problems and the focus is always down to personal paranoia.

This is the reason why electronic devices that detect the metaphysical world are often scorned upon and their developers are hit pretty hard by the companies who want their products to have reputation and not to be associated with anything paranormal.

They feel angry that there products work in an environment debunked by science as they have limited understanding in this field.

I like to feel that I write without prejudice, but often belief supersedes scientific evaluation.

These laws are rarely put into use ...similar to Jay Walking in the 21st Century, but they are there to protect those with a different vision to the way their things work.

It is very dangerous to talk about these devices as it is no different to the superstition of the 1600s and unpacks similar laws

It takes an idiot like me to invent this (these) thing(s) which can literally break science and it's logical ways.
Cos no one will risk their reputation having gained an education in this field as to be regarded as a fool.

Devices work and will carry on working as they repeat in any conditions. Trouble is...NO ONE will listen because they have already made up their minds through years of brainwashed ideas (nothing personal)

My hope is to reduce this prejudice and perhaps try and sell myself to show that I do have some credibility, in order to get some help from you guys who may discuss my projects.

I do not want folks to agree,....but to be fair in their knowledge and not use their beliefs.
 
Paranoia, likely multiple personalities, hallucinations and adult level ADD/ADHD too.

Toss in poor understandings or capacity to entirely grasp the common social construct rule sets of society and I can see where he's coming from. :(

I'm not a expert in psychology, psychopathy and the like but I went through a lengthy run of dealing with apparent mental disorder development with my now ex before we divorced.

Reality takes a back seat to bizarre and unfounded false reasoning, false general relation and false validification to support a wild, weird and all around highly skewed perception of reality that defies all basic rational sense to a normal person.

For example, For a while my Ex thought that she was one of the smartest most intelligent people in the world (still does) despite all valid basic IQ and like cognitive tests she initially used to prove it clearly showed otherwise (~IQ 90 - 95) .
Therefore they were wrong and not only were they wrong, people like me, who can and do score far higher on those real tests (in the levels she thought she should be in, ~130+), and even the fake ones made to make dummies feel smarter, obviously could not be human or if they/we were, we were of a different race that lives for thousands of years in order to have picked up our knowledge we have. :confused:

I was outrightly and publicly accused of both many times right in front to four family and friends.:(

She was also diagnosed with diabetes or at least the very high end of early onset of it yet totally denied it because according to her horoscopes and astrology charts and whatever else showed she would never get such a disease as well. The doctors had to be wrong. :banghead:

On the bad days, in her mind it all apparently made perfect sense and it was everyone else who was wrong for what any rational minded person would easily see as being total denial and nonsensical thinking to avoid the realities of that she had a problem or several.
All known treatable ones that, unfortunately, would require moderate changes in self discipline motivation, exercise plus improved diet, (actually having and using them herself regularly).
Stuff no one but her could do for her, a person who felt the world should do everything for. Stuff I have done and lived by all my life yet clearly in her mind not doing well enough being 'spiritual osmosis' to take from me and give to her without her actually dong much of anything for herself was not working making me the bad guy in all of it.

And yes she too had 'ghosts or spirits' who came to visit and talk to her. As one example, my deceased mother did and always sided with her about 'what I was doing wrong with my life'. Believe me the things 'mom's ghost' was siding with her on were not things my real mom ever would have said or went against. :(

I would normally feel annoyed reading such posts in a paranormal forum, because I would have expected better. Here it does not bother me, because I can just laugh and shake my head.

It is to be expected. All mechanical and electrical students and workers are the same...it comes with the job of mending things with a' hammer'

If the nail don't fit..it has to do with some cells in the brain department? Well.....keeps them busy.
 
I normally attribute it to a glitch in the Mattrix.
;)
 
Thank you for allowing me to post, as I see my introduction has been posted!
I feel that if members are allowed to unwind, they must also feel relaxed and be able to introduce themselves to other members, as to be able to socialise and understand that bit better the recipients aims for joining such a forum?

Who Am I?
To be able to decide who wants to talk to me, I am a Psychic as well as a researcher. This introduction normally gets me warnings as folks seem to dislike (notice I have not said hate?) those who have a metaphysical understand into the supernatural. Most engineers are 'Nuts and Bolts' minded and like to physically take things to bits and do not understand that which they cannot visualise (notice I said visualise and not see). I had learnt that when I took my Mechatronics Degree in BSc about twenty years ago. My knowledge with electronics has now reached an all time low compared to before, as i hope most will understand that being 66 years old, one tends to forget.

The Reason Why I am Here and Not There?
Good question! (BTW..How am I doing so far?) Well......the problem that I had been having is in relation to my spirit detection devices. I started of into Electronic Voice Phenomena (EVPS Ahhh...that has stumped you guys...lol) Then I moved on to the Electroscope. Two devices that can pick up etheric energy (what the heck is that?...Never mind at this stage)
Members may have started noticing that I am talking to myself a bit? That is normal, because I normally talk to the walls which answer back on my equipment. Paranormal forums are usually debunking stations and give me a hard time.

It is impossible to talk, because I have to keep moving away from the subject that I am talking about and have to give reasons for my mentality. All sorts of stabs come my way about 'love' 'selfishness' egos, meditation and being spaced out...until I start to wear down a bit because the Ghost Box that I want to discuss which has revolutionised the world of micro technology since computers is just met with emptiness. Perhaps that can be forgiven, after all, these are just paranormal guys who debunk ghosts?

Problems
The real problems that I encounter are not ghosts and evil spirits but people. I am literally sacred of saying the wrong words and breaking the law which could get me arrested. They pick on me, because my ideas are strange and the slightest thing I may say wrong gets me ...hmmm...well let us say into trouble. I do not mean to be that way..it just happens!

The word that I am looking for is called :- plagiarism

A scary word that gives me the shakes because no one really knows what it means?
Difficulty is that everyone could be breaking the law without knowing it, but when your views are adverse. you get to hear it a lot! My knowledge on plagiarism is now vast and I even know more than the' a*m******tor' (notice I have not used a word here, because that very word is banned..lol)

Making the projects

Great difficulty cos I can sued!!! using someone's components is asking for trouble. Not necessarily a boxed component, but things like resistors, FETS and capacitors in your project without the manufacturer's permission. Okay:- "Get it "you will say. Off to C*ina to find the manufacturers of 1000 components together with 1000 letters..oh well.

"Ahh...but everyone is the same!" Not when you are making a Ghost Box which defies science and breaks all the theoretical values why it works when it should not?

There you go....end of reasons and thank you for reading. Now if I am still here, I will continue to talk about my project in the appropriate section (I hope)

George


Hello,

Your main goal seems to be to 'measure' some things that maybe have not been measured yet?
You can claim anything you want, there is nothing wrong with that, but if you want to measure something you have to at least know what exactly you are trying to measure. So you have to have a good idea what it is you are trying to measure.
You'll have to try to explain what kind of signals you want to measure. That's the only way to get started. You will then have to prove how these measured signals correlate to your proposed phenomena.
You should also note that even some things that are known and agreed upon to exist already can not be measured. To put forth a proposition that something new exists can be exciting, but you'll need a lot of data to prove it, followed by a time for general acceptance by other individuals.
 
...To put forth a proposition that something new exists can be exciting, but you'll need a lot of data to prove it, followed by a time for general acceptance by other individuals.

And be forewarned, there are a lot of real scientists (skeptics) here...
 
And be forewarned, there are a lot of real scientists (skeptics) here...

Yep, It's not our job to prove him right. Its his job to prove it to us. :oops:

Just Like The perpetual motion/overunity people. Make an extraordinary claim and you had better have extraordinary proof to which it's not your detractors job to disprove themselves.
 
I would normally feel annoyed reading such posts in a paranormal forum, because I would have expected better. Here it does not bother me, because I can just laugh and shake my head.

It is to be expected. All mechanical and electrical students and workers are the same...it comes with the job of mending things with a' hammer'

If the nail don't fit..it has to do with some cells in the brain department? Well.....keeps them busy.


Okay? That basically makes no sense given that you want to use devices built from components with extraordinarily well known function and operational characteristics to prove something no one has proven at all.

That and being this not a paranormal forum you will not find anyone here who will believe anything you say unless you can prove it with solid confirmable replicable proof. It will go off about as well as my Ex trying to prove she had a genius level IQ while failing to break out of the 90 - 95 (below average) score range on every legitimate test time and time again.
Sure, you can pick a different test and benchmark to get the results you want to show, but that doesn't make them true if they are from any source that is not recognized for being accurate or of any degree of credibility.

As far as brain function, that's where psychologists and neurologists come in and they tend to know a whole leot more about how a person's brain works than those who have a obvious brain malfunction that skews their perceptions of reality. It goes right in line with my ex's claims that she could not have certain mental plus other physical health issues because her horoscopes and astrology charts didn't say so. Sure it sounded perfectly rationally justified in her mind but to me and her doctors it was a clear sign she had problems inside her head and body.
 
georgekkkkk,

Welcome.... You will find that if you put something out there then you must also take it with a grain of salt.... I was in another electronics forum for nearly 20 years and I saw a lot... 10 of those 20+ years, I was an employee of the company that hosted the forum. IOW, I have seen a lot of people come and go, and I have seen many ideas. It takes all kinds to make the world go around. ...If I told you, that I remember being born, most people would raise a few eyebrows.... or if I told you I could draw a blueprint of the floor layout of the house I grew up in when I was only 18months old <-- That freaked my parents out ... that too would raise a few eyebrows .... point is that we all posses amazing abilities, it's just a matter of knowing how and when to apply and use them....

Again, welcome aboard
 
Welcome. All sorts around these parts ;).

I'm interested to know why you think you can get sued if you use some passive components in your products without permission?

Must be tough to live with your level of paranoia though I'm sure.

Well...you know..us' lunies' get by.

I talk to the walls and they talk back....I will have to play back the recordings at some stage......then it can be explained to me...unless you can hear voices as well?

Probably not?
 
Hello,

Your main goal seems to be to 'measure' some things that maybe have not been measured yet?
You can claim anything you want, there is nothing wrong with that, but if you want to measure something you have to at least know what exactly you are trying to measure. So you have to have a good idea what it is you are trying to measure.
You'll have to try to explain what kind of signals you want to measure. That's the only way to get started. You will then have to prove how these measured signals correlate to your proposed phenomena.
You should also note that even some things that are known and agreed upon to exist already can not be measured. To put forth a proposition that something new exists can be exciting, but you'll need a lot of data to prove it, followed by a time for general acceptance by other individuals.
Indeed!

The trouble is that I do not know what type of energy I am picking up?
This is why I am asking help in these regions.

Let me put it another way.....

We have InfraRed. Did the guys who discovered IR fully understand what they had discovered?

I think not!

If this was let us say three hundred years ago, it would be fairly obvious that IR could not exist. After all....we would see it! The reality is such that IR is neither heat or light by frequency radiation travelling similar to light without heat.

Our vision loses IR at the point below red. BUT...

It travels on!

So what I am saying here, is that our bandwidth is relatively short. What if we could see at a wider bandwidth? I am a psychic and my senses are aqute. I can pick up pictures by just touching an object. It is called psychometry . I am also able to read people by using my Third Eye. So radiation does not stop at our ears, nose and eyes. It travels on.

I understand higher etheric vibration to exist beyond the UV range? How it can be detected at IR...I have no idea? This is why Ia m here, to pick superior knowledge on how these things work?

The problem is MrAl, is that the world is full of prejudice. This is the reason why I am here, selling myself. Perhaps some may realise that I am not mad after all if they knew a bit about me?

In my UFO days back in the 1960s the age of the ECC82 and the AO2 B9A as lads we were chosen by UFOS who taught us well. My other friend is now a famous Historian UFO Author dealing with Earth energies and such like.
I asked my friend:- "Why us?"

We were thick as two planks. We were told that our minds had not been filled as we were young and could be trained. I could not understand this.......as there were scientists and politicians in the world who were greater than we were.

Now I know why?

The world will not listen and what is simple to design has never been designed through sheer prejudice. No reputable scientist would risk his reputation on quack ideas.
 
georgekkkkk,

Welcome.... You will find that if you put something out there then you must also take it with a grain of salt.... I was in another electronics forum for nearly 20 years and I saw a lot... 10 of those 20+ years, I was an employee of the company that hosted the forum. IOW, I have seen a lot of people come and go, and I have seen many ideas. It takes all kinds to make the world go around. ...If I told you, that I remember being born, most people would raise a few eyebrows.... or if I told you I could draw a blueprint of the floor layout of the house I grew up in when I was only 18months old <-- That freaked my parents out ... that too would raise a few eyebrows .... point is that we all posses amazing abilities, it's just a matter of knowing how and when to apply and use them....

Again, welcome aboard

Yes.....i knew what to expect here.

When I was at university my mate who worked in Peterborough servicing fighter planes told me that one day, the camp was visited by a large flying saucer the size of a bus on a Sunday morning. The base scrambled it's fighter planes as all Hell broke lose.

I said:- "Gwin...did you actually see this!"

He said:- "George...the whole bloody camp saw it, but it was hushed up"

Looking embarrassed he told me to keep this to myself as engineers were the worst people to talk about UFO phenomena.

I found that true!

I was in my mid thirties before I got educated because everyone told me that going to university would make me more materialistic. It had the opposite and started creating mad cap ideas.
Knowing about transducers, transient forces, hysteresis laplace and all the other stuff made me worse. I designed things that others said that I would be mad to design. Like the first analogue solar powered clock. A micro chip was new on the market which allowed me to work with 1.5 volts. I built the first electronic torque wrench using strain gauges. Nearly got it right...lol
 
So what I am saying here, is that our bandwidth is relatively short. What if we could see at a wider bandwidth? I am a psychic and my senses are aqute. I can pick up pictures by just touching an object. It is called psychometry . I am also able to read people by using my Third Eye. So radiation does not stop at our ears, nose and eyes. It travels on.

I understand higher etheric vibration to exist beyond the UV range? How it can be detected at IR...I have no idea? This is why Ia m here, to pick superior knowledge on how these things work?

Unfortunately for you it not 1800 and we are not stuck with 1800's levels understandings of the fabric of reality that is around us. It's 2017 and the things you claim are not well understood are now in fact extremely well understood. Plus every supposed psychic or whatever that has ever made the claim they could do certain things when put up against a real life double blind tests to see if they were legitimate failed it miserably to being no better than random chance odds.

As far as real science, if it has ever been claimed it has now been studied for validity, especially with the suposed supernatural and established para sciences, and what you speak of has been scientifically debunked many times in many ways just like you comment on our natural limitation in electromagnetic spectrum sensitivity. Jus tbe case we can't detect something directly that doesn't mean we have not developed extremely sophisticated and accurate way of detecting things well outside of it now with other instrumentation either directly or indirectly as is done with quantum mechanics study.

Same with aliens. If they are real they are still stuck with working within the same limits of the laws of physics we are. They might have better understandings of the rules and abilities to bend them a bit further than we do now but they are still the same rules that we have.

Theres a reason people expect those, like you who make bold claims of something, to actually give valid confirmable proof and when you fail to do so have no other option to resort to but skepticism or outright continued disbelief.
 
Yes.....i knew what to expect here.
I built the first electronic torque wrench using strain gauges. Nearly got it right...lol

Like fact checking you, which I know the first concept of an assembly line torque wrench that used an electronic readout came out in in the 1930 - 40's some time which if you came up with that would put you at 90+ years old. :rolleyes:

Maybe you designed the first electronic torque wrench you knew of but that doesn't make it the first one to ever exist. :facepalm:
 
And be forewarned, there are a lot of real scientists (skeptics) here...

Hello,

In today's world it is hard to be a skeptic of anything. A very long distance quantum entanglement experiment was successful just recently. Before that kind of thing there was no believe that something like that could possibly happen.
Add to that, the amount of mass in the universe that we understand is about 5 percent of the total mass in the universe. 5 percent. That means we dont know a heck of a lot, we just think we do sometimes.

This does not mean we except every idea that pops up on the monitor from every Joe, Dick, and Harry with a new idea, but it does mean that we dont dismiss it with no thought at all. It may not be our job to debunk it, but we could ask questions, unless of course we go through life with a brick head where we allow no new information to arrive and join our concept of reality. It will always be true that the burden of proof is on the originator, but sometimes there are others who join in and take up part of the responsibility just because they are interested.

I myself dont have a huge interest in this area, but if i heard enough about it that sounded plausible i might change that stance. Unfortunately so far i have heard nothing whatsoever that even remotely sounds like any real groundwork.
 
Indeed!

The trouble is that I do not know what type of energy I am picking up?
This is why I am asking help in these regions.

Let me put it another way.....

We have InfraRed. Did the guys who discovered IR fully understand what they had discovered?

I think not!

If this was let us say three hundred years ago, it would be fairly obvious that IR could not exist. After all....we would see it! The reality is such that IR is neither heat or light by frequency radiation travelling similar to light without heat.

Our vision loses IR at the point below red. BUT...

It travels on!

So what I am saying here, is that our bandwidth is relatively short. What if we could see at a wider bandwidth? I am a psychic and my senses are aqute. I can pick up pictures by just touching an object. It is called psychometry . I am also able to read people by using my Third Eye. So radiation does not stop at our ears, nose and eyes. It travels on.

I understand higher etheric vibration to exist beyond the UV range? How it can be detected at IR...I have no idea? This is why Ia m here, to pick superior knowledge on how these things work?

The problem is MrAl, is that the world is full of prejudice. This is the reason why I am here, selling myself. Perhaps some may realise that I am not mad after all if they knew a bit about me?

In my UFO days back in the 1960s the age of the ECC82 and the AO2 B9A as lads we were chosen by UFOS who taught us well. My other friend is now a famous Historian UFO Author dealing with Earth energies and such like.
I asked my friend:- "Why us?"

We were thick as two planks. We were told that our minds had not been filled as we were young and could be trained. I could not understand this.......as there were scientists and politicians in the world who were greater than we were.

Now I know why?

The world will not listen and what is simple to design has never been designed through sheer prejudice. No reputable scientist would risk his reputation on quack ideas.

Hello,

Well you have to realize you are laying a lot out on the table here.

First, when you say you pick up 'energy', what do you mean by that? How do you know you are picking up some sort of energy?
What are you using to pick this up with?

Also, when you say you see pictures by touching objects, what kind of pictures do you see and how do they relate to the object being touched?

What are your claims here, as to what you can actually "do" or perform or whatever that can cause change? For example, can you predict that a ladder will fall on someone if they walk under it and thus save them from getting hit by the falling ladder?
 
hi Al,
I guess the OP may be referring to Synesthesia, which is not uncommon.

If I hear a sharp unexpected noise I see a burst of a monochrome pattern, bit like an exploding firework, lasts about 2 to 3 seconds. Different noises produce a different pattern.
Some people actually see coloured pattern bursts,

Also when I have a needle injection of say flu virus I can taste it for hours afterwards.
Different injections give me a different taste.

This effect is explained in this link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

Eric
 
The trouble is that I do not know what type of energy I am picking up?
This is why I am asking help in these regions.
So you want us to design something, using known real-world components, to detect an unknown form of energy? I don't think you'll have much luck there :(. Electronics provides the bridge between one or more input signals and one or more output signals. If we don't know any parameters of the input signals then the bridge can't be designed.
In principle one could use a stochastic method to build a piece of equipment by assembling random components randomly and hope that it would provide output signals in response to unknown input signals. However, without knowledge of the relationship between input and output the output would be meaningless. It would be a case of GIGO.
 
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