No yet again your wildly off track!!!You're getting cuprous and cupric chloride. You're also getting a lot of other crap depending on the heat of the fire and whatever else you're burning -- including probably hydrogen cyanide and phosgene -- both deadly gases used in WW2 to kill people . Your throwing this crap in the fire is pretty irresponsible, especially if you're doing it in front of a bunch of Boy Scouts. You're supposed to be teaching them fire safety and how to respect the environment -- not the opposite. Copper salts are used specifically to kill vegetation and sterilize soil. Maybe you should think and ask these questions before you pass your brilliant ideas on to children. Un-frikkin-believable.
Ok to answer your Question...Little Ghostman
You sound like you may be able to answer this,
Read https://www.electro-tech-online.com...etching-with-nitric-acid.150753/#post-1294020 and didn't want to do a Hijack, so
years ago, I bought a fire pit ring and thought that some color would be nice, so I threw some copper tubing and had some green flames, for a while. Asked a friend about it and he said the copper had glazed over and that it could be removed with muriatic acid, so I put the copper in a bucket and covered it with the acid and left it over night, next fire, the color was back, but I noticed the acid was green, so I threw some of that on the fire and WOW, look at that color, blue, green, turquoise, just beautiful to look at, and makes for some good BS stories for young scouts by scout leaders, I gave some to a friend. I don't even bother with copper to color the fire any more, just "blue fire", as the solution has come to be known as.
My question is what am I getting when I put copper in the hydrochloric acid (the dark brown/green liquid, the light green paste at the bottom), what am I getting as it is 'consumed' by the fire, the color is very prominent when the liquid is added, but dissipates after a while, is it dangerous if you breath in any of the smoke as it burns, is it dangerous to cook over (hot dogs, etc), what's left in the ashes.
Thanks,
Jeff
Well hydenny may have overstated the output of the chemical reactions and even been wrong on some points, but I entirely agree with him/her on the irresponsibility being displayed. To throw an unkown concoction created with HCL and CU plus whatever other elements were present is IMO bordering on lunacy.No yet again your wildly off track!!!
What nonsense.
To be fair, the OP asked a question on safety. I did point out I wouldnt mix food with chemicals, as to irresponsible its not like he is letting them play with Dynamite. I am not sure scouts were present at the time this was done.Well hydenny may have overstated the output of the chemical reactions and even been wrong on some points, but I entirely agree with him/her on the irresponsibility being displayed. To throw an unkown concoction created with HCL and CU plus whatever other elements were present is IMO bordering on lunacy.
Ever tried using HCL to clean off the scale in a bath, then take a bath in the residue? It's an excellent exfolliant cleans right down to the bone! Almost all active chemicals are more active when they are hot and fire vapourised is definitely hot. Hot HCL dissolves almost everything and is especially good on human tissue, ask Dr. Cripin, OK he's dead. Even if the HCL is depleated, copper is poisonous and I can't think of a better way of ingesting it than breathing in the hot fumes of copper salts. Copper like lead and a few other heavy metals can build up in the body so its toxicity steadily increases.
Beacuse Muriatic acid (HCL) is readily available doesn't mean it or any of its by products are safe. HCL is used to clean rust creating Ferric Chloride which is used to dissolve copper. If FeCl3 is left open to the air indoors, its vapour will rust any bare steel/iron for yards around. See what I mean?
Stick to knots but best leave out the hangman's noose.
Copper like lead and a few other heavy metals can build up in the body so its toxicity steadily increases.
How long i string? Do you live in a hard or soft water area? If very hard water then your unlikely to have taken very much at all. Then again depends on how much carbonate has furred your pipes, or how much the copper has oxidised...........I agree and I find that interesting. Yet we use Copper for water Pipes and up till recently, lead solder to join them.
How much Dissolved Copper have I taken in in my life.
How long i string? Do you live in a hard or soft water area? If very hard water then your unlikely to have taken very much at all. Then again depends on how much carbonate has furred your pipes, or how much the copper has oxidised...........
PVC pipes are the ones I would worry about.
Halogenated plastic..........MMMmmm Yum
You might want to look again, calling me names........... Yeah thats really going to get a rise from me. Calling the OP names? REALLY? You think thats called for.Little Googler takes a little bit of knowledge -- a LITTLE bit -- and goes wild with it. Why is he even trying to defend this?!?! The only thing he's accomplishing is betraying his lack of understanding of chemistry. I realize this is an electronics forum, so maybe he's better versed in electronics than in chemistry.
Commercial phosgene production takes place in almost the exact conditions this bozo "leader" had. Basic stuff.
Cyanide gas is always formed when burning nitrogenous compounds -- especially in the presence of a catalysts (like copper or copper oxide), and especially in an acid environment, and especially at high temperatures. Also basic stuff.
Since when did the number of one's posts relate to one's credibility?! Very amusing.
Instead of calling me cute names (sock puppet?!?!) and acting like a hyperactive schoolyard punk simply because I don't have all day to waste on forums (like some people do), why don't some people spend their time learning something? It'll pay off later. No one ever got a college degree by googling wiki articles. It might also prevent one from defending someone else's irresponsible actions.
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