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IoT doomed - Philososphical question

Discussion in 'IoT - Internet of Things' started by KeepItSimpleStupid, Mar 7, 2017.

  1. KeepItSimpleStupid

    KeepItSimpleStupid Well-Known Member Most Helpful Member

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    Just like Smart Cell Phones are planned obsolesence, it woul dseem like the IoT is heading in the same direction UNLESS backward capability in browsers are ALWAYS maintained.

    The cell phone seems to be the "universal remote" of choice, but the browser is least updated, The html is stored on the Inter net of THING and the external browser executes it.

    So, aren't we creating a dying bread before it even gets off the ground?

    You buy an IOT.
    It uses a particular browser. (cell or otherwise)
    Browser depreciates a certain aspect of the IOT's html.
    IOT becomes useless.
    IOT has a short lifespan and ends up as ewaste.

    The short cycle repeats.

    Aside:
    At one point I was developing in a early version of LabVEW when it was in the process of changing to cross-platform. It was not quite mature, so any fix I made, might have been also fixed in a new version. Functions I had to create were then available in a new version.
    One function, I fondly remember was "flicker fixing". Numbers in indicators would flicker unless you played games. Error handling did not exist. With LabView, you always have to upgrade, Backwards compatibility doesn't exist. Once a VI is converted to a higher version, you can't go back. VI's as instrument drivers are generally only available in the current version of LabVIEW. So, National Instruments has a perpetual money making machine.

    I doubt IOT makers will keep continuing "developing" their products so it maintains the functionality on all browsers. I do remember where this site only work with IE etc. I also know that their are development libraries that try to work out the idiosyncracies between browsers and browser versions.

    I have a very old phone that runs Opera mini. The original browser died long ago. AllAboutCircuits (AAC) is usable. I can't find a way to log on and the data of each post is missing.

    This also applies to a Samsung Smart TV too. Flash is not supported and networks use flash based players.

    IoT has a bad smell to it.
     
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  2. Mikebits

    Mikebits Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I don't think so. I just interviewed for a RF position and it was for 5G. The world is poised for IOT, and 5G, despite your nay saying, it is coming. I was surprised when I heard there was IF of 6 GHz. I suppose the BW requirements are pushing the data envelope. I really don't think browsers are an issue, those think tank folks will just develop another interface or whatever is needed. The Train is coming. :)
     
  3. ericgibbs

    ericgibbs Well-Known Member Most Helpful Member

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    I would agree with 'kiss', another case of product 'built in obsolescence',
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  5. Cicero

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    No I dont agree. Many IoT devices run on a low bandwidth specific IoT data protocol (such as MQTT etc) just above the Tcp/IP layer, it has nothing to do with a browser. They may have a little web server built in, but even so, it'll just be a case of upgrading over the air if anything becomes unsupported over time, such is the beauty of connectivity. Pure HTML and CSS isn't going anywhere any time soon either.
     
  6. KeepItSimpleStupid

    KeepItSimpleStupid Well-Known Member Most Helpful Member

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    So you put an obsolete feature in a light bulb (html). The browsers change, The light bulb interface becomes useless. See: https://www.w3.org/TR/html5/obsolete.html

    That's what's happening on my phone,

    Remember, the "browser" executes the code on the "light bulb". The "light" bulb just "serves" the code to the "browser".
     
  7. Cicero

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    I can see your point perhaps on low cost devices, but just don't feel its applicable to the IoT movement as a whole.

    Much of the IoT market is following the SaaS trend, and as such, where there are subscription services you will see support and updates for those devices. For devices where there is a once off purchase, and nothing more in it for the manufacturer...you will have this problem, as with many other tech products.
     
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    KeepItSimpleStupid Well-Known Member Most Helpful Member

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    This is why I called it a philosophical question. You eventually have to replace your smart phone. Say your TV used a smart phone app to control the TV. You buy a new phone, the smart phone app (say it's a remote) on the TV doesn't work. Square 0. Phone updates won;t happen forever, TV updates won't happen forever. So, you paid $800 for a smart phone an $1300 for a TV. Now, they do not work together?
     
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    Yeah, and that's why we're having a philosophical debate :p.

    I'm just saying your argument is more about consumer technology in general as opposed to IoT.
     
  10. KeepItSimpleStupid

    KeepItSimpleStupid Well-Known Member Most Helpful Member

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    Probably. FWIW: laptops don't appear functional now. The trackpad has morphed into something wacko.
     
  11. Little Ghostman

    Little Ghostman Well-Known Member Most Helpful Member

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    True IOT is technically a mesh network and has little to do with a browser. In its basic form it uses TCP/IP, IOT has been hijacked for things that use a browser, but the technology is designed to be non specific.....................

    We did tons of this 2 years ago at school, the idea behind IOT was so you could pass a message via your IOT light bulb,via the fridge and then to the coffee machine.

    My school built its own multi mesh for our tech class using IOT, pretty much the entire technology block was integrated together using TC/IP and or I2C/Serial. I have noticed more recently its being hijacked and tied down to phones and browsers. But honestly this was and isnt the intention behind IOT.

    The name itself is mean to be literal, Internet Of Things, and just like the internet it isnt supposed to be based around any particular browser or operating system. Instad the OS or browser is supposed to understand TCP/IP or a sub level.

    This was one of the things I needed a R PI when we were studying mesh networks and IOT.
     
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