Well, this is just about the dumbest thing...

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It's called evolution =) Genetic's don't stay the same long. Massive environmental changes and the fact that the body doesn't adapt very quickly lead to all sorts of problems.

Natural selection takes longer than a few generations.

Evolution is much slower. You kinda sound like your saying people with the genetic disorder polydactyly (Six fingers), die off because they can't buy mittens in the winter time and freeze to death, hence the end of the line.

I think it is a bit more involved.
 

You seem to be anti medicine as many people are. I am sure when the day comes (and it most likely will), you will welcome that medicine that allows you to see one more sunrise...
 
Mike I most definitely already welcome some medicines, my fathers been through two heart attacks, and my mother has colon cancer. Without quiet a slew of those drugs I wouldn't have had an Easter dinner to go to this weekend. But that doesn't mean the whole system works flawlessly and all medicine is good. I'm going to say rather broadly that the bulk of 'what ails us' that's been garnering more attention in the news lately is in fact brought on by the problems in out society as a hole, such as stress from increased population densities we just can't work in 'villages' as complex as cities have grown to be, our brains can't handle it. Our diets are only a shadow of what they were a few hundred years ago. We screw ourselves up horribly every day in any number of a hundred different ways, I just think addressing root causes is more important the drugs for many of the symptoms as medicine itself doesn't cure the root cause.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm less against medicine as opposed to being against the society that we live in that puts medicine in the position it currently is in because they can't possibly fix everything that's going wrong with us because the medicines don't deal with the root cause of the problem. In my fathers case it was heavy smoking and bad diet for years that lead to his heart attack.
Medicine itself can't cure anything it can only relieve symptoms.

Antibiotics are a good example of something extremely useful, but there are many resistant strains cropping up in hospitals from their over use, and that's only get worse. Short term perception of gain, long term loss. It's a slipper moral and philosophical slope because the weighing of good vs bad is such a difficult thing to do, and physically impossible in the long run, as we simply can't predict the upset we cause to the system as a whole until the effects are already being felt of it's collapse.
 
Oh by the way, look at dog breeders, and plant hybridizing.
It takes only two generations of breeding to get completely and dramatically different traits from a living creature. Genetics are a lot more malleable than most people think. While it only takes two generations to cross breed specific traits it takes many many more generations to develop stable ones. It's the collapse of the unstable one's that isn't so much fun.
 
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The smell of peanuts (usually peanut butter or chocolate bars containing peanuts since these have the strongest smell by far) will upset my stomach and make me feel woozy for a good while afterwards. Eating peanuts on the other hand will usually put me out for half the day. I don't consider myself as allergic as some people though so I don't care about things that "may contain peanuts", just things that do contain peanuts.

That said, I don't eat cashews either though I'm not allergic. I think peanuts are one of the most disgusting and vile things around. Think about it, if you wouldn't eat dog crap would you eat something that looks like dog crap? Probably not. Personally I don't understand the appeal of peanuts to anyone at all.
 
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How can medicine cure a root cause when the disease is lifestyle based, such as smoking? The public is informed about smoking yet many choose to not heed the warnings.

The problem with antibiotics is this. When a person is told to take the drug for a prescribed amount of time, they usually do not. They stop taking the pill when the feel better. Now here is the problem.

When a person is infected with a bacterial strain, they are not immediately sick. It is not until the bacteria has multiplied into millions. At this time the patient feels sick and seeks medical help. Test are done and it is determined the patient has a bacterial infection, which at this time the bacteria count is in millions. AN antibiotic is prescribed and usual dosage is ten days. Most take the pill for several days until they feel better, and then stop the regiment.

Problem here; They may have killed off most of the bacteria down to thousands now, yet the thousand that remains are prone to be stronger and resist the antibiotic. If the regiment is continued, these final bacteria will eventually die.

Since the patient did not keep up with the pill, these strong bacteria now multiply and re introduce the original illness. Only difference now is that the bacteria can hold up against the antibiotic. Now a stronger one is needed. Many people have died due to this scenario.

It is important to follow the directives of Dr. and Pharma.
 
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Mike, there's a problem with that theory. The antibiotic resistance bacteria strains that are currently cropping are prevalent primarily in hospitals themselves, not in the public at large.
 
Mike, there's a problem with that theory. The antibiotic resistance bacteria strains that are currently cropping are prevalent primarily in hospitals themselves, not in the public at large.

Would you care to provide some evidence of this?
 
Mike, there's a problem with that theory. The antibiotic resistance bacteria strains that are currently cropping are prevalent primarily in hospitals themselves, not in the public at large.

While I otherwise agree with what you're saying, this isn't entirely true. My Mom spent a lot of years driving long miles around the north, distributing antibiotics to and attempting to educate the victims of a TB outbreak in northern Canada. Many of these people (often in remote villages and reservations, with little if any electronic communication) would simply not take their antibiotics for the full prescription and would stop taking them as soon as they felt better. Thanks to this, we have new and more powerful strains of TB to worry about.

This is not an isolated case. There are many diseases which are making a comeback in newer, more intransigent forms because people will not complete their prescriptions after the point where they "feel better".


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Sorry for the one liners in the posts, I posted them as I found them, I stopped when I thought I might have made a point. There is NO shortage of more articles and studies but I have no intention of looking for more.
 
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Mispoken on my part. I meant more spreads and develop prevalently with hospitals being hubs. Lots of sick people in one spot, lots of antibiotic use weakened immune systems and generally susceptible people.
One of the paragraphs in that first one that struck me most was.

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Which I found interesting because although the occurrence of relapse was lower if they took their medications under supervision it was not 0. So at BEST following the doctors guidelines slows the progression of their development, but the is not as statistically relevant as the increase in the number of people taking anti-biotics overall.

Just better hope medicine can create new antibiotics faster than mother nature can adapt. Also once (and they will eventually) these bugs spread to undeveloped countries that don't have access to the latest antibiotics it will just get worse.
 
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Yeah, it's called AIG and not only is the wallet thinner so will our waist line.


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Mike, there's a problem with that theory. The antibiotic resistance bacteria strains that are currently cropping are prevalent primarily in hospitals themselves, not in the public at large.

This somewhat implies that hospitals are the creators of the mutli drug resistant strains. I argue that this is not the case.

I do agree that hospitals are likely a spawning ground to spread a MDRS, and this only makes sense as sick people visit the hospital. Screening for such a thing is out of the question, keeping conditions free of all bacteria is next to impossible. With so many surgical procedures taking place in hospitals, and people with weakened immune systems, this sort of thing is very problematic to avoid.

According to the articles you provided, it does seem there is a better awareness of this condition and the medical and Pharma industry is back in the game. Problem here is that it takes years to get these new meds through the FDA.

But I think I see your point.
 
Many physicians in general are becoming more cautious when prescribing anitbiotics even outside the clinical setting. The problem is not limited to just hospitals and clinics anymore. The flip side to that coin is a good many pharmacies are offering certain antibiotic prescriptions at a low $4 per bottle!! This has patients pressuring their doctors for a "script" as the drug companies continue to push their wares. Some doctors do not want to disappoint and lose their patient(s).
 
I have seen genetic drift of insect populations in greenhouse environments. Insecticide resistant offspring of the ones you didn't kill the first time. I have seen kill ratios go from 95% to 5% in a matter of weeks with Whitefly.
 
The casing a raw cashew comes form it poisonous. Roasting detoxifies them. Peanuts aren't so picky.
 
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