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warning to windows users....i kind of half expected this to be true.....

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The people that are are a part of this should be jailed


This is the law
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 
The people that are are a part of this should be jailed


This is the law
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

This from the country with Homeland Security and imprisonment without charge or trial :D
 
apparently the NSA key was included because windows' encryption driver was considered a "sensitive technology", and so couldn't be exported without some way to defeat strong encryption.... since windows is NOT open source, it can't be distributed with strong encryption unless there's a way to defeat it. at least that's the way the law has been interpreted. when the government went after Phil Zimmerman for "exporting" PGP, he put all the source code in book form and published it, making it an obvious 1st Amendment issue... (it already was a 1st Amendment issue, but actually printing it in book form defused all the government's arguments that because it was software it was in some kind of constitutional grey area)
 
I am baffled about why all the outrage now? In some form the US has been doing stuff like this since at least the 1930's when IT&T was allowing the US to tap international calls.
It has come up repeatably since then under such things as the NSA/Mi5 sharing agreements (The NSA would share info on brits, and the MI5/6 would share info on americans).
The Omnibus Crime Control Acts of 1968 and 72 gave common carrier expanded rights to tap customer lines on their own initiative. There their was that big AT&T et al tapping scandal after 9/11.

Congress via Senator Fritz Hollings have been screaming for backdoors into all tech com products for decades.
 
It has come up repeatably since then under such things as the NSA/Mi5 sharing agreements (The NSA would share info on brits, and the MI5/6 would share info on americans).
Yes that was the old way of breaking the law. We were allowed to spy on the Brits. They were allowed to spy on us, Then we just traded information.
Now they don't even care about looking legal.
With today's computers listening to every conversation and catorgizing a summery in a file. And today's ability to record every conversation made. I fear the world is in for some hard times in the near future.
 
Guess I'm just jaded and cynical - when ever some friend comes running up going "OMG The Government is planning to do this horrible thing!", I usually reply "And you think this is something new?"
Studying psychology, political science, and military history has ruined my ability to be shocked.
 
As far as I know I have no bad stuff or incriminating evidence on my computers so they can look all they want. ;)

Now that said when your computer is slow yet has nothing running then goes back to normal a little while later is that when they are snooping around on your system? :eek:
 
... when your computer is slow yet has nothing running then goes back to normal a little while later is that when they are snooping around on your system? :eek:

Or it could be Google, Microsoft, Java, Flash, etc snooping around... (They all have backdoors, too)
 
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As far as I know I have no bad stuff or incriminating evidence on my computers so they can look all they want. ;)

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the point is you have a right of privacy, and to expect that the govt is NOT snooping..... besides that, Congress has passed so many idiotic laws, and the executive branch has so many regulations in place, that you can't really be sure there's "nothing bad" on your computer.....
 
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I dont use encryption anyway so i guess it doesnt matter to me too much. I dont have anything illegal on my computer anyway.
But do you think they go around checking for valid web addresses and searching computers just randomly?
 
Why wasn't there all this "outrage" when all of this was implemented under the Bush administration? None of this is something new, but now there is "outrage"?
 
Why wasn't there all this "outrage" when all of this was implemented under the Bush administration? None of this is something new, but now there is "outrage"?

Funny how that works. I can remember when they passed all that stuff and everyone just kind of looked away. But, having said that I don't think they have time to just look around, but I can see where knowing who and when a bad guy was talking or e-mailing might come in handy. :D
 
Why wasn't there all this "outrage" when all of this was implemented under the Bush administration? None of this is something new, but now there is "outrage"?

i agree.... but this is nothing new. it's part of human nature to "go along to get along".... it's mentioned in the Declaration of Independence,

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

for the last 100 years or so, our government has been whittling away at the Constitution. the slide from constitutional republic to totalitarian state began with Teddy Roosevelt and his idea that the USA is some kind of "global policeman". continuing in this vein, Woodrow Wilson got us involved in WWI. in the 30's Congress began enacting blatantly unconstitutional legislation (about this time, it became "fashionable" for governments to experiment with various forms of socialism, and the USA was no exception). FDR and his "New Deal" policies accelerated the US towards a socialist state. in WWII we fought against some very evil dictatorships, while at the same time setting up much of the machinery of totalitarianism in our own government. the "machine" was then revised and tuned throughout the Cold War.
 
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Of course it's not just Windows that allows governments or others to keep tabs on what we do with our computers and online. Anyone paranoid about this should consider whether it's wise to use any search engine or visit any social networking site. Moreover, almost all software these days, by default, wants to 'phone home' as soon as it's installed, to report system data allegedly to 'improve the customer experience' or to 'help us monitor and enhance software performance'. What other info gets reported?
But, having said that I don't think they have time to just look around
As I understand it the spooks' computers use word/speech/pattern recognition to flag up key words etc relating to illegal activities/objects and home in on the originator. So watch your language! Ohhh, I just used the word 'spook'; so that's raised a flag somewhere :).
 
As I understand it the spooks' computers use word/speech/pattern recognition to flag up key words etc relating to illegal activities/objects and home in on the originator. So watch your language! Ohhh, I just used the word 'spook'; so that's raised a flag somewhere :).

No flag was raised only content stored. :eek:

So watch your language is correct and it's not only the government as some poor guy in Texas found out.
**broken link removed**

Some stupid comment taken out of context can be twisted into a crime at anytime by a government out of control.
 
Actually the govt has been attacking the Constitution since the 1790 when the 1st "Patriot Act" was passed - The Alien and Sedition Act which was an attempt to suspend the 1st Amendment.
In the 1800 the Comstock Act give the US Post Office to right to engage in censorship by banning the mailing of certain information.
 
Glad he won his case - actually pretty impressive because the UK does not have freedom of speech protections. Although from the size of his initial fine, it seems they where treating it as a very minor issue. The amount of money he was fined is about the same as littering from a vehicle ticket in CA ($2700).
 
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