resistor-like inductor

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mdanh2002

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• Apr 29, 2012

• #1

Hi,

Is there a proper term for resistor-like inductors and how different are they from the air-core inductors? I have seen them available in various values, from 0.1uH to 470uH. Many FM transmitters build instructions I have read mention that you should not use resistor-like inductors, but only air-core types. So far I only heard that these are not stable at high frequency, but any thing other than that?

Also, I build my LC Colpitts oscillator using this type of inductor and a trimmer capacitor. The frequency is not stable and decreases every minute the circuit is running. Is this related to the inductor properties?

 

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Sceadwian

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• Apr 29, 2012

• #2

Do you mean ferrite cored inductors? Many cored inductors fair poorly in high frequency, but not all.

 

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mdanh2002

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• Apr 29, 2012

• #3

Hi Sceadwian,

I mean this type of inductor, what is the proper name for it? I google but find various different names

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Sceadwian

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• Apr 29, 2012

• #4

Those are just encapsulated ferrite core inductors, the core material isn't generally suited for high frequencies, at higher frequencies their effective inductance drops drastically.

 

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mdanh2002

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• Apr 29, 2012

• #5

Thanks Sceadwian

Is there perhaps a threshold above which the frequency is considered high and unsuitable for these inductors?

 

Sceadwian

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• Apr 29, 2012

• #6

Other users here many have more experience with them, I have virtually none, just know what they are. I would hazzard a guess that anything above audio frequencies is probably going to drop the effectiveness and increase loss to the point where they're not useful.

 

ronv

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• Apr 29, 2012

• #7

The self resonant frequency of a cored 220 uh will be 3 - 5 mhz, while the same air core will be 800 900 mhz.

 

unclejed613

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• Apr 30, 2012

• #8

they are also called chokes.

 

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colin55

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• Apr 30, 2012

• #9

Don't use a potted inductor for the coil in the oscillator section of an FM transmitter. These inductors have "low-Q" due to the low-frequency core material and the thin wire in the winding - and the winding is jumble-wound. The only core material to use for 27MHz to 150MHz is F29. It has a "Q" of 20, going down to 3 for 150MHz. Air has a constant value of 1.
This means a coil wound on ferrite can have fewer turns than an equivalent air-core and will be less "microphonic."

 

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The Electrician

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• Apr 30, 2012

• #10

ronv said:

The self resonant frequency of a cored 220 uh will be 3 - 5 mhz, while the same air core will be 800 900 mhz.

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When you say "...while the same air core...", do you mean that if the ferrite core in the inductor were replaced with a plastic or ceramic or other non-ferromagnetic material, while retaining the exact same winding (wire size, number of turns and geometry), the self resonant frequency would be 800-900 MHz?

 

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mdanh2002

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• May 1, 2012

• #11

Thanks all for the info. I think I still just use air-core inductor inductor instead.