Low entropy ,big thing.

vlad777 · Dec 21, 2010

1)In the region of lower entropy concepts and notions will emerge.
2)Rules from nature processed with rules from nature will yield
something that exist in nature (or predict natural processes).

Mind that this is not philosophy but I think it answers my
question why nature follows this simple math/physics rules.

blueroomelectronics · Dec 21, 2010

Do you walk to work or bring your lunch?

vlad777 · Dec 21, 2010

Work is close, I eat at home.

blueroomelectronics · Dec 21, 2010

My question was supposed to be confounding, much like your statements in your first post.

vlad777 · Dec 21, 2010

confounding don't translate in google.
It is not my intent to be confusing.
Didn't it ever bug you that we can calculate something and nature acts
just as we predict.
Our thoughts are something qualitatively very different than events or objects in nature.
Our brain deals with variables and signals and nature is totaly difrent thing than logical constructs,
but they act in sync.

blueroomelectronics · Dec 21, 2010

Perhaps confounding was the wrong word, confusing works equally well.

Didn't it ever bug you that we can calculate something and nature acts
just as we predict.

Well mostly, but there is chaos theory and quantum mechanics.

Our thoughts are something qualitatively very different than events or objects in nature.
Our brain deals with variables and signals and nature is totaly difrent thing than logical constructs, but they act in sync.

Lost me but if you're saying humans aren't the most logical beings then I'm with you there.

vlad777 · Dec 21, 2010

They say entropy is just disorder of the system, and if the disorder is not too great
occurances can be reduced to simple rules.
If you have basic rules of the system (that nature follows), everything that you conclude from them will be true (and will exist).
(I didn't realise this before, it might sound ordinary to you.)

Edit:

blueroomelectronics said:
Lost me but if you're saying humans aren't the most logical beings then I'm with you there.

Science is all about redusing everything to logic (and I agree).

blueroomelectronics · Dec 21, 2010

According to Wikipedia

Entropy is a thermodynamic property that is a measure of the energy not available for useful work in a thermodynamic process, such as in energy conversion devices, engines, or machines. Such devices can only be driven by convertible energy, and have a theoretical maximum efficiency when converting energy to work. During this work entropy accumulates in the system, but has to be removed by dissipation in the form of waste heat.

It's all part of thermodynamics and it's three laws.

Thermodynamics is the study of the inter-relation between heat, work and internal energy of a system.

The British scientist and author C.P. Snow had an excellent way of remembering the three laws:
You cannot win (that is, you cannot get something for nothing, because matter and energy are conserved).

You cannot break even (you cannot return to the same energy state, because there is always an increase in disorder; entropy always increases).

You cannot get out of the game (because absolute zero is unattainable).

vlad777 · Dec 21, 2010

YouTube - 24. The Second Law of Thermodynamics (cont.) and Entropy

This guy says a little bit about what is entropy from math point of view.
He also says that life, computers ,etc... have negative entropy (of course if you don't count in whole "universe" .)

killivolt · Dec 21, 2010

blueroomelectronics said:
According to Wikipedia, It's all part of thermodynamics and it's three laws.

Thank you for the Christmas treat. (vlad777) and (blueroomelectronics)

I'm having a feast of minds pointing out the Currently Known Laws of Universe.

Even with all the known constructs. Your pushing on the differential equivalents.

Laws are made to be broken. I am not putting a period on anything.

However, I commend you for the delight.

If it were a pastry. I would remember it's smell & taste.

Merry Christmas to you or......
....to what ever you want to treat yourself too!

kv

tcmtech · Dec 21, 2010

It has always confounded, and just bugged me a little, that some people insist that they can predict nature yet time after time nature gives them the whole hearted finger and then laughs mercilessly as it does something completely different than predicted.

Yes we have the little things fairly well estimated but thats about as far as we ever get.

vlad777 · Dec 21, 2010

Merry Christmas.

BrownOut · Dec 22, 2010

The British scientist and author C.P. Snow had an excellent way of remembering the three laws:
You cannot win (that is, you cannot get something for nothing, because matter and energy are conserved).

You cannot break even (you cannot return to the same energy state, because there is always an increase in disorder; entropy always increases).

You cannot get out of the game (because absolute zero is unattainable).

HA! I like it! I really do!

Merry Christmas, y'all!

KeepItSimpleStupid · Dec 22, 2010

I'm an "Entropy Expert". Everything appears to be in total disorder.

killivolt · Dec 23, 2010

KeepItSimpleStupid said:
I'm an "Entropy Expert". Everything appears to be in total disorder.

So, is this guy.

Entropy Explained:

Entropy Explained

Zero Entropy:

Zero Entropy (Addendum E to Review of David Foster's The Philosophical Scientists)

Clearly he has the Cold Dark Matter of it all in the Palm of his Hand

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