Thanks: yeah i think i am getting 3cds neets, graham knot one and the Every day pratical electronics teach in 2000 yeah and I am planing to start a website that i will create while i am learning being a webdesigner i can do that easily and do a guide for other a sort of step by step approach oh how i am learning from where resources etc what do you thuk perhaps put a tiny forum in it what do you think guys? put a book list sort my library etc i have about 50 books on electronics and dozens of pdfs