That doesn't sound like 'learning', it sounds like they use radio remotes (like a Firestick), rather than IR.recieving isn't my problem. the boxes all have their own receivers..... and to be more specific..... these are the newer dish network satellite receivers. when you get one, the first thing is asks you in the setup screen is to
" pair the remote " ... you point it at the box and push a button and the box now knows all the codes for that remote. and you can un-pair it the same way. so... im not sure who is learning what... whether the remote has the codes in it and the box learns them or the other way around... either way its not really my problem. my problem is more basic. i use 12 or 24 of these boxes to run head end systems in hotels and resorts. all the boxes want to do " updates" which turn the boxes off and they don't come back on when they are done. the early boxes had settings where you could defeat this. the newer ones don't. so i need a way to , when the boxes get done "updating " to turn them back on. in this case it means hitting the " ok" button on the remote. now... i can set ALL the boxes to operate off the same code i think. i think this because in the instructions it warns you not to pair the remote around OTHER boxes obviously because then those boxes learn that remore as well... so in reality i only need ONE of these binary codes and someway to blast the rack. once a day. like i said... push come to shove ill make a rotarty cam or a solonid to just push the button... but i would like a dedicated device. now... someone mention universal remotes.... and i know about those and those are capable of LEARNING the codes fro the original remote you put them faceto face and push one button on each and the new one learns the old codes... somehow... its all magic to me. but i know there is a way for these things to learn
you misunderstand. when the dish box updates it turns itself off and when its done it comes back on to the standby/screen saver screen.... so on the he system that channel is lost. we aren't talking about the tv 's at all.. just the dish box going into standyreceiving IR is required to know the code to send.
When you are pairing , you are telling the remote what the code to turn on the tv is. which was preprogrammed in a table.
updates do not turn off the tv, so the "box on" button on one remote should work for all boxes. Since they are all same brand of box.
Just watch out for sync issue in post 3, i wasted 100's of hours as a cable tech training customers how to stay in synch. best to just leave tvs unpaired in your "main" remote
two things.... first because you can pair and unpair , my assumption is that the remotes are generic in the sense that they have one table in them that is transferred to whatever box it gets paired to. second... because of the warning they give in the instructions about not having other boxes nearby when pairing, my assumtion is that you can pair the same remote to any number of boxes .. which is helpful for me.Does a remote, once paired to a particular box, operate all the others?
If not, can you pair an already paired remote, does it then control both boxes?
"Pairing" may mean Bluetooth, or tying the serial number of a remote to a box.
whats a PIC or arduino ? and they are IR.... no antenna on the devices. all the rf ones have antennae. they may not all respond instantl but if i signal maybe 10 times or so, or even w/ multiple remotes, for sure i can get them all to come back on... maybe not all at once but in a couple mins of each other and at 3 am nobody is going to care.That doesn't sound like 'learning', it sounds like they use radio remotes (like a Firestick), rather than IR.
So are they IR?, or RF?.
I know exactly what your problem is, I've also done satellite boxes in hotels for TV distribution - remotes are a complete nightmare.
Assuming they are IR?, and you can set all boxes to use the same codes?, then you would just have to program a PIC, or Arduino, or whatever, to output that code when required.
However, having been there, done that, I can pretty well predict that not all boxes will respond every time.
i can certainly do that. not right this minute but later.... and thx. good suggestion. for reference.... the device is the newer dish network hopper systems. the ones im working on are duo's and wallys but if they are " hopper" they all have the same software, screens and protocols. the MAIN hopper device IS RF.... all the other are IR... at least i think they are.... they only work on line of sight and have no antenna.yea, but its all about how the remote works, if you can post an img of yours so that we can clarify what you have, that would be best, and maybe an img or model number of the box too. You say IR so I was going on that, but if it is newer IR + RF that changes thinigs.
again.... im not looking for a remote . i have all the remotes in the world. what im looking for is a stand alone device that produces a programmable RF freq to REPLACE the remote... either buy or have someone build it. now that we know its RF and not IR ( sorry ) does that change anything ? and is it possible ? surely there are programmagable uhf transmitters off the shelf ?a quick google search says you do have the RF ones. so each box is paired to their own remote via RF.
the IR is there still for the old tv technology, and yes you dont see the antenna. I dont even think you can pair 2 remotes to one box.
then a cloned/universal/master remote wont work either. Nor will RF boosting.
The work involved for a UHF hack may be similar process but RF circuitry is way beyond me, I cannot even build a simple am radio transmitter.
I've NEVER seen an RF remote with an antenna - the most popular RF examples would be the Amazon Firestick remotes and Apple TV remotes - there's no need for an external antenna. Try pointing it at your camera phone, and see if you can see it flashing - although it depends if your phone blocks IR or not - I've just tried my two phones, the Samsung Android shows it fine, the older iPhone doesn't show it at all. If you can't see it on your phone, check your phone using a known IR remote, such as off your TV.whats a PIC or arduino ? and they are IR.... no antenna on the devices. all the rf ones have antennae.
well... not doomed. i made my career doing things no one had done before and , like everything, its just a matter of learning and finding how the elemental and fundamentals and extrapolating from there.... thats where you guys come in... electronics were not my field. if i needed an electronic component i called up the electroic guys and said " how do i do this "? and they would tell me or provide it. for the rest.... maybe i simply haven't been clear...I've NEVER seen an RF remote with an antenna - the most popular RF examples would be the Amazon Firestick remotes and Apple TV remotes - there's no need for an external antenna. Try pointing it at your camera phone, and see if you can see it flashing - although it depends if your phone blocks IR or not - I've just tried my two phones, the Samsung Android shows it fine, the older iPhone doesn't show it at all. If you can't see it on your phone, check your phone using a known IR remote, such as off your TV.
I'm somewhat bemused by the added complication of pairing if its not an RF remote?, I've never seen (or heard) of any such thing for IR remotes, it sounds a really crazy and pointless idea.
A PIC is a microcontroller, an Arduino is a cheap development system containing an AVR microcontroller - they are the kind of things you use to do what you're trying to do - if you don't even know what they are, then I suspect you're completely doomed.
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