For NigelGoodwin and Nsaspook, sure I'll agree with certain modern music that has a lot of extra-LF content the mono subwoofer is good enough.
But for a lot of really nicely mastered classic rock (60's 70's 80's) it was considered good form to master the kick drum slightly to one side of centre and the bass guitar to the other side.
For NigelGoodwin and Nsaspook, sure I'll agree with certain modern music that has a lot of extra-LF content the mono subwoofer is good enough.
But for a lot of really nicely mastered classic rock (60's 70's 80's) it was considered good form to master the kick drum slightly to one side of centre and the bass guitar to the other side.
nsaspook, at what frequency are you calling bass that can be stereo differentiated via human hearing? You said 'low bass' is 200hz, what's 'high bass' and where does it stop being bass and become mid? Stereo separation at 400hz is going to be borderline at best and again best only in headphones.nsaspook said:Stereo bass works pretty well in smaller rooms with one sweet spot for the listener with the limited low frequency dynamic range and the limits on mixing on vinyl recording
I think that this desire to achieve this 'pure experience' in audio is nothing more than a psychological feature of people with strong acoustic/emotional memory trying to reproduce the moment where they emotionally experienced something they heard, probably not even relating to the audio itself, simple psychological and mental states.
It really is all in your head.
DJDAudio, could you please explain how that much wattage has anything to do with 'experience' of music aside from sound pressure levels that will deafen you and possible damage internal organs?
The most incredible audio I've heard is from 1-5 watts systems in a quiet environment. If you want to blast the world away at expense of long term hearing by all means, but don't ever define that as a 'pure' audio experience! That's like saying smashing your finger with a hammer is a life changing experience because it takes the focus off of the stubbed toe that is rotting. Louder is not better, fidelity is not power. Reproduction is a simple thing, and so massively misunderstood that I believe the definition of a modern audiophile has faded from even the possibility of public discussion.
nsaspook, at what frequency are you calling bass that can be stereo differentiated via human hearing? You said 'low bass' is 200hz, what's 'high bass' and where does it stop being bass and become mid? Stereo separation at 400hz is going to be borderline at best and again best only in headphones.
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What the stereo differentiated frequency is varies by person and how much training that person has in detecting slight signal changes. I've worked with some old school military techs who could heard audio clues the computers would totally miss.
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I have been a Bose basher for many years. The "subwoofer" in the very expensive stereos is only 5.25 inches in diameter! It produces no sounds below 100Hz and booms like a bongo drum up to about 250Hz where the tiny mid-tweeters begin.But most modern systems that come complete with subs (with pissant little front speakers etc) produce a horrible muddy mashed bass experience. Gee I'm starting to sound like Audioguru.
I have been a Bose basher for many years. The "subwoofer" in the very expensive stereos is only 5.25 inches in diameter! It produces no sounds below 100Hz and booms like a bongo drum up to about 250Hz where the tiny mid-tweeters begin.
Bose made a compact but powerful speaker many years ago. It had 1 little speaker facing forward and 8 other little speakers all around. I think the speakers were only 4.5 inches in diameter.I had a co-worker bragging about his new Bose system the wife got for Christmas years ago. A few of us started chanting "No highs? No Lows? Must be Bose." near his cube. The poor guy, $3500 for a fancy boom-box.
An interesting point of conversation, IMAX has a whole department of sound engineers, formally Sonics we recently had a crew come in to 'tune' our system for the new Dark night rising film. They use a 15,000 Watt sound system to as best they can 'faithfully' reproduce the original audio.
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