I have never seen a car with a tiny 9hp engine so maybe you are powering a lawn mower with the hydrogen fuel cell?the project is for hho production yes. But however its ot added to the air intake and nor does the engine run lean.
the engine runs on just hho. i did read some of the arguements in another thread on here and while some could be considered valid, i dont belive that they are projected with all the facts in mind....i for one have a 9.0hp honda engine completely modified to run on hho, this involves a custom made carb, electronic ignition and exhaust as well as retiming and valve timing.
although you dont belive that this technology works please dont leave my question unanswered,
is there an amplifier you could suggest that can amplify this frequency range with great efficiency, i was trying to steer away from audio amps due to that they have 8ohm output and would require impedance matching which i havnt got a clue how to do...unless you can point me in the right direction on that one aswell
cheers
Don't waste your time, HHO is a scam and the effort, time & money you put into it will never be returned. www.Overunity.com has lots of HHO projects that don't work.
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Scientific proof debunking the "run your car on water" scams
this technology does work and it will only be a matter of time before someone cracks it.
In what way does it work? - obviously you can create hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis, and you can then burn them in an internal combustion engine to get mechanical energy from it.
The trick is how much energy it takes to split the water, and how much mechanical energy you get out at the end - you ALWAYS make a loss, and a considerable one.
The 'holy grail' is to use the engine to feed an alternator that spilts the water - but this requires over 100% efficiency, which is obviously impossible - and is why no one has ever managed to do it (and probably never will).
The simple answer is that HHO generators don't work!
The idea behind the HHO generator is that a small concentration of hydrogen gas (between 2% and 5%) can increase the speed of the flame front, the leading edge of the burning gases in the combustion chamber. In turn, this would allow an engine to be run in a lean condition, allowing a higher compression ratio, thereby increasing the efficiency (by around 10%).
HOWEVER, the compression ratio of your engine is fixed. Even if the HHO device could provide the 2% hydrogen, running your engine lean would simply be running your engine lean. Without changing the compression ratio, you cannot increase the efficiency of the engine (without nasty side effects).
HHO Devices Cannot Supply the Hydrogen
In order to even be effective (in an engine designed for it), an HHO device would need to produce enough hydrogen to replace approximately 2% of the airflow. To replace just 1%
of the airflow into a 1.8 L engine running at 2400 rpm would require the electrolysis of about two teapoons of water every minute, which would require an input power of about 5,200 watts (7 horse power). For a 12 Volt electrical system, this requires about 430 Amps. The wire you would need to carry this current is about as thick as your index finger, not counting the insulation. Also, the heat loss due to inefficiencies in the electrolysis would cause the water in the HHO device to completely boil out within a handful of minutes. At this rate, 1 quart of water would last only 90 minutes, assuming you could prevent it from boiling away.
The Extra Engine Load Doesn't Offset the Gains
Even if your car's electrical system could handle it (most alternators will only produce about 100 Amps), the extra energy produced by the alternator must be produced by the engine. If a car's engine would typically need to produce 30 horsepower to cruise down the highway, then it would need to produce about 40 horsepower to cruise down the highway and power the HHO devce. Even if the HHO could magically allow your engine to be run a little lean (without consequence), as some promoters claim, then you would be increasing fuel usage by 33% in order to increase economy by ~5%, netting a 32% increase in fuel usage. Using 32% more fuel to do the same job is NOT an increase in efficiency.
But Person X Said They Got Better Mileage
First of all, Person X just might be one of those promoting the scam. Sometimes, it is a person who followed the directions and saw an improvement in mileage, but it isn't caused by the HHO device. Almost every HHO device out there only draws a few amps, 100 times lower than it should in order to do anything. This means that it doesn't produce enough HHO to do anything. So how do people see increased mileage? Sometimes they just start driving better. Also, mileage is not a constant. It depends on various environmental factors. But the major reason is, they are running their engines lean.
All of these HHO kit instructions tell the installer to add a device to "enhance" the Mass Air Flow sensor. These devices actually fool the computer into thinking that the air flow is restricted, when it isn't. The engine then injects less gasoline into the cylinders, causing the engine to operate in an overly lean condition. Frequently, this actually does increase engine output, but not without significant costs. Prolonged lean running will lead to fairly expensive engine damage. It also causes increased smog emissions. Running an engine lean is a simple thing to do, and there are many good reasons why manufacturers don't do it.
But Real People Have Tested These Things, Right?
Yes. Real experts have indeed tested these devices, and they have been widely debunked. The most prominent test was a Mythbusters episode in which they tested and debunked several fuel saver schemes. Popular Mechanics has performed their own test of what many scammers would called a "super" HHO system guaranteed to produce results, and found that it did pretty much nothing. Further more, many of the HHO scams use the freely available HHO devices as a leader to hook people on far more expensive gadgets that don't work. Even though there are some convincing videos on places like YouTube, and testimonials on websites, to date, no qualified expert has been able to show any HHO device actually improving fuel economy. There is even a million dollar challenge to demonstrate a working HHO device which improves fuel economy that has gone unclaimed for several years.
The great "run your car on water" scam May 2008 NEW: Check out the One Million Dollar HHO Challenge for anyone who can demostrate a consistent 25% or greater fuel-saving from one of these HHO devices. Time for the scammers to put-up or shut-up
As oil prices rise, the quest for ways to replace fossil fuels or at least improve the mileage of modern vehicles becomes increasingly urgent.
All around the globe, teams of highly educated scientists slave away in an attempt to squeeze the last few percent of efficiency out of the conventional internal combustion engine because they know that even small improvements can have a big benefit to an auto-maker's bottom line.
At the same time, there appear to be legions of "garage mechanics" who are also working on ways to improve the mileage of your car.
All kinds of crazy devices are now flooding the market and promising to slash your fuel bill by improving your mileage, or maybe even completely eliminating the need to buy gasoline at all.
Perhaps the most prevalent of these systems is the HHO hydrogen generator system that is being pitched by numerous different individuals and small companies.
Connect one of these "fuel cells" up to your car's electrical system, fill it with water and run a pipe to your car's air intake and voila... you'll immediately see a significant improvement in your gas mileage.
Sounds almost too good to be true doesn't it?
And what is it they say about things that sound too good to be true?
Let's take a closer look at those HHO "hydrogen fuel cells".
They are actually nothing more than a simple electrolysis device that uses electricity to split water into its constituent components -- two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen.
There is nothing magical about this, it's a process that's been around for a very long time.
The gases generated by the electrolysis of water (sometimes referred to as Brown's Gas) can be recombined by way of combustion to release energy.
Unfortunately, the first law of thermodynamics states quite clearly that the energy generated by recombining the hydrogen and oxygen through combustion can only ever be equal to the amount of energy it took to separate them.
In fact it's worse than that.
Because there all sorts of losses involved in the generation of the electricity, the delivery of it to the electrolysis cell and then the combustion process, we actually recover far less energy from burning the hydrogen than it took to create it.
So, once those losses are taken into account, these useless devices will actually cause your car to use *more* fuel - that extra fuel doing nothing more than heating the water in that electrolysis cell and the wires that lead to it.
What's more, the introduction of hydrogen and oxygen into your engine's intake can also lead to the car's computer incorrectly adjusting the air/fuel mixture to the point where fuel consumption either worsens further, or damage could be done to your engine.
As usual in the wonderful world of physics, there are no free lunches.
But a little scientific fact is not about to stand in the way of those who think they can make money from the current energy crisis.
They still insist you can increase your gas mileage by sucking power from your alternator and using it to create hydrogen.
Why would you buy anything (be it plans, instructions or ready-built kits) from someone who has not the faintest grasp of basic science?
Here's a **broken link removed** that makes outrageous claims you'll "double your mileage" and "generate free energy".
Of course they work hard tug on your heartstrings and feelings of guilt by claiming that you'll also be saving the planet.
Well I'm sorry but this is nothing but a bunch of lies.
Nobody has yet broken the first law of thermodynamics and there's no sign that anyone will. These laws are immutable and have withstood the test of time and many, many brilliant scientific minds.
But what about all these glowing **broken link removed**?
Chances are that some are fake. Others are just poor deluded fools who want it to be true so much that they fool themselves into believing this worthless idea actually works.
Notice how the vast majority of these testimonials come from people such as "Eric from Wisconsin" or "R.A. Foreman (USA)". There is no way to contact these people, let alone even verify that they actually exist.
You'll also notice something else about many of those who pop up claiming that they're using the system and it works... they provide you with a link to a website. That link is inevitably either a paid-per-click link, or the address of a website promoting these scams. In the first instance, the scammer earns a dollar or so every time someone (including you) clicks on that link. In the second case they're usually part of an affiliate or referral scheme whereby they earn a few dollars for every kit, eBook or other piece of snake oil that's sold.
Want proof?
Well look at **broken link removed** where it's proudly stated that "earn 50% commissions for every referral that places an order".
So of course these people are going to lie to you and say it works, because they want you to believe them and visit the websites or buy the product so that *they* get paid.
And, by the water4gas.com website's own admission, some of its fellow-scammers are earning tens of thousands of dollars every month by duping people into believing this stuff actually works, often simply by telling giant lies and stating that they get enormous fuel-savings when in fact they get none. Don't become one of their victims.
**broken link removed** Another good clue to the fact that this is a scam is the way these systems are being marketed on sites such as YouTube. Just look at the result of this search on YouTube.
See how the scammers are spamming YouTube with worthless, endlessly repeated ads that simply serve to promote these worthless products? If this was a genuine product that worked as advertised, word of mouth advertising would ensure that it sold like wildfire. Spamming is the last resort for those pitching products of no value which will never ever receive word-of-mouth endorsement by those who have wasted their money on them.
Please do everyone a favour and whenever someone has uploaded multiple videos all the same and all pitching to promote these lame schemes, take a moment to flag them all as spam. Just think, by doing this, you may be saving some innocent dupe from being fleeced.
This horrible scam is simply an attempt to separate you from a whopping $97 of your hard-earned cash. That money will get you access to a couple of e-books that purport to contain the secrets of doubling your fuel economy by breaking the laws of thermodynamics.
Don't waste your money. Don't become just another sucker who is taken in by shysters like these (and there are plenty more out there, I've just given one example).
In today's world of rapidly rising fuel prices, $97 won't buy you much gas but it'll get you a lot further than the worthless plans and instructions in these books.
If you have a website of your own, please add a link to this page so that it can be found by those poor hapless souls that might be contemplating wasting good money on one of these scams.
Now check out the scientific proof that shows just how impossible these "run your car on water" scams really are.
Quick navigation of this feature:
- The HHO Scam-busting homepage
- The proof HHO is a scam
- A reply to the HHO scammers
- Proof that hydrogen enrichment won't work
- What the scammers say about this site
- The HHO Scam FAQ
- HHO Scams in the news
- Other fuel-saver scams
- Stanley Meyer's Claims
- Who is Ozzie Freedom?
- The One Million Dollar HHO challenge
- **broken link removed**
- A journalist's guide to HHO (run your car on water)
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