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A practising Engineer explains over unity or free energy misconceptions

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  1. MrAl

    MrAl Well-Known Member Most Helpful Member

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    Hi,

    That's funny. It is also indicative of how man looks at these kinds of problems sometimes, over too short a period, and declares that there is some profound process at work with just a few samples of data. This makes us skeptical even about how science itself works. But that's all we have right now...look at it as logically as possible and hope for the best. If you believe in God then you can pray for better times.
     
  2. JoeJester

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    I agree it's an unusual February in the Boston area where they can claim February as one of the snowiest winters on record. That's not including the rest of the months typically defined as winter. I heard that on the news the other day.

    As far as global warming and the poles ... it's the north pole losing ice. I've seen where some proclaimed the Antarctic ice field growing.

    I'm always skeptical of how they are using the data, especially since the "emails" talking about discarding some info. Then there's the specifications on the measuring probes as well as the integrity of the installations, being biased by nearby heat sources. There is too much error to make proclamations of an increase of partial increments. The deviations are never published. When the deviations are left out, Darrell Huff's book ... "How to lie with statistics" is my immediate thought, and the skeptical SOB in me attempts to apply sufficient due diligence before supporting a position.

    True believers rarely look for the opposing view, placing their critical thinking skills on the back burner, and go with the emotional flow of the moment.

    Woodward and Bernstein had the metric of "follow the money" during the Watergate series they published. Sometimes it's best to drag out that metric to see if it is applicable.

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    The intuits of the Northern parts of US and Canada has noticed a different position of the sun in the sky allowing more warmth to the upper latitudes. Of course their "years" of observation will be summarily dismissed so the fossil fuel crowd can blame their favorite topic. Can the earth shift the position of the poles because of fossil fuels or do you think something else is causing the polar shift?

    I've heard of polar wobble before, but the cousin's from down under have a satellite pictures where there have been extreme shifts ... A tilt of the earth can contribute to the climatic changes we see, for my money, the Intuit's have reported something to be investigated.
     
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  3. moty22

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    I do pray but I get the feelings lately that me and God have different interpretation to 'better times'.
    There is a wide spectrum of opinions about global warming in this thread. I read most of them with great interest. I don't follow the subject closely so reading the posts was also an education for me. I'm mainly interested to hear the opinions of people who see the world through the same eyes as mine, a world that is made of resistors and capacitors.
    I don't have strong opinions about global warming because of lack of reliable information. Personally I cannot check any of the claims and I cannot disprove any of them. My gut feelings is that somebody somewhere is having a great laugh looking at us discussing the subject with great passion while the weather is only doing its routines.
    I see things in a more philosophical way. Human, especially men, incline to believe that the world will end with a big bang and this is why most of us show great interest in theories like global warming. It is very possible that our leaders exploit this human nature. There are countless proofs that leader use religion racism and fears for the purpose of controlling us.
     
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  5. Tony Stewart

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    The Solar System has many harmonic variations due to all the planets interacting to create wobble. Most people are only familiar with the 11 yr sun spot cycle. There are many other cycles of longer and shorter period due to the eccentric forces of the centres of all gravitational planets, moons, the sun and other solar systems , just as shaking a fluid causes rotation due to offsets in centre of mass.

    What we have to worry about is the effects of pillaging the earth , fracking oil, , spewing carbon from Chinese coal power to build our products and everything else, we have some control over.
     
  6. JoeJester

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    The case of fracking is still open. Around the Irving TX area they experienced a lot of relatively minor earthquakes last summer where people immediately declared fracking was the culprit. It was later discovered the area where the quakes occurred were on a previously unknown fault line. I've yet to hear an apology from the "anti-fracking Nazi's"

    Until there becomes "one world order", the Chinese will do whatever the Chinese does and the only thing anyone can do is "not purchase" their products. That would cause an economic disaster for those who have debt to China, which the U.S. has plenty. Till the U.S. becomes independent enough to support their own population with goods and services, the imports will still flow. Do you expect to have a massive organized "don't buy Chinese products" in an effort to get them to stop their "Kyoto sanctioned" pollution?
     
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    Tony you sound to me like a politician, are you saying lets ignore the facts that don't help our campaign and concentrate on those that support our campaign? As earth dwellers we have do conceder all the facts.
     
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    Not at all Moty. Who do you want to blame ? The Chinese for building a new coal generator station every week? Or greedy consumers who create the demand?

    We cannot forecast weather long term with much certainty.
    What makes you think we can prevent the causes?
    Absorb heat in upper atmosphere or block heat transmission.

    educate the public on negative effects on our food chain, pollution and the real cost of pollution, instead of covering it up with profits. Global warming is a topic to deflect the real issues. But then people always like talking about the weather, rather than massive lifestyle change to stop pollution.
     
  9. moty22

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    This is an interesting view. You can separate the pollution issue. I personally have little knowledge about the issues of global warming and pollution but I know enough to be convinced with the negative effect of pollution. I also agree with you that we can act to reduce it. We have many models of living in harmony with the environment.
    Pollution is a very complex issue and I can hardly believe that even the best of us can grasp it all. As an example; your worry about 1 coal power station every week in China, do you have the figures for how many power stations in Europe or the world converted to gas during the last decades. There are many facts like this one so doing the sum can be inaccurate.
    I accept the claims that the motives are mainly human greed and interest in profit. You among many recommend to educate the public to change their ways, unfortunately this could be the sticky point. Education is similar to manipulation, people resist it and lately more than ever because of mistrust in our leaders.
    I"m extreme fatalist so I don't offer any solution, I'm good only in complaining. On the other hand if society will change its ways and achieve reduction in pollution I will celebrate as much as you will.
     
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    I know France generates over 90 percent of their energy via nuclear power.

    You can't get a new nuclear power plant in the U.S. without all the NIMBYs (Not In My Back Yard) up in arms.

    When the cost of "being green" is competitive with our current energy costs, more will use it.
     
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  11. Tony Stewart

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    The French have excelled in nuclear design, safety inspection electronics for many decades. I have no doubt they are good at it.
    They once came to inspect our design of an automated Robotic Eddy Current tube walker for the secondary heat exchanger.

    In 1977, during a demo, I explained we used 2 frequencies for eddy current detection of flaws in steel tubing. THey said they use 3 frequencies. Then I said we have 50 ppm resolution on vector impedance. They smiled.

    Our Canscan Automated scanning system was a world's first but Eddy current scanning of miles of tubes has been around for a long time. Pattern recognition of the vector impedance and aging data can predict a leak before it occurs.
     
  12. moty22

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    After WW2 the French decided 'not again' and they went for nuclear weapon in a big way. The politicians couldn't increase the defense budget because it was too soon after the war. They built all those nuclear power stations to enrich uranium for the bombs. We are now clever enough to know that nuclear is a stupid deterrent but the politician never admit making a mistake.
    Safety experts often say that accidents happen and always will.
     
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    The French military always had a tight budget ;) and were the first ones to get rid of paper phone books in the 80's with electronic terminals in every home.
     
  14. JoeJester

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    I have no doubt the U.S. is equally capable in the nuclear energy field. I was going to look up the nuclear accidents in France and the U.S. but was disappointed when the last nuclear accident was one death and two injured occurred when part of the generator fell when it was being moved at Arkansas One.

    Last one in France was an explosion killing one and injuring four. The explosion was in a furnace used to melt metallic waste.

    The first for the U.S. was in 1955 and France's first was in 1969.

    France's operational model differs greatly from the U.S. model.

    I should have looked further into France's nuclear power program before holding them up as an example.

    Of course there is one entity that has over 5400 "reactor years" of accident free operation. The U.S. Navy
     
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    MAD (mutually assured destruction) can only deter if both parties have similar morals.[/quote]
     
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    Most wars started because one side wanted the other to have the same morals. There will be reduction in wars if we stop believing that our morals are superior.
     
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    Do you mean religion? We'd probably be exploring the galaxy by now.
     
  18. moty22

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    That is right, I meant religion in the wider sense of the word. Most religions are set of moral rules. Some of the modern religion include freedom, equality, the right to be gay, porno, drugs, animals rights, husband can't rape his wife and so on.
     
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    That's what religion was, now it's a business run like a corporation.
     
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    Moty,

    Same or similar? I don't want everyone to be the same ... it would be a boring mankind if that were the case. I don't include religion in moral beliefs. Start with the morality of the laws of a country. From Hammurabi onward, societal morals got us where we are today.
     
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    If you look closely at the corporation bosses you will see that they believe that they are God's gift to humanity. It is human nature; when one is very powerful he gets a direct line to God. It is different to the old religions but has similar symptoms.
     

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