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    3v0 3v0 is offline
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    Easy Daughter Board Question

    I would like to build a daughter board that plugs into a standard 40 pin dip socket.

    I was thinking a machine pin DIP socket but am not sure.

    IIRC regular .1 inch strip header pins are too large will ruin the DIP socket on the main board.
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    kchriste kchriste is offline
    Maybe something like this:
    http://www.elexp.com/srp_r401.htm
    Or do you want to have the daughter board sit directly in/above the socket? Then you could take the above DipPlug, without it's top and ribbon cable, and solder the tabs directly to your daughter board. Either that or your machine socket idea.
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    Gaston Gaston is offline
    how about useing the edge of the board like a pci or isa slot
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    3v0 3v0 is offline
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    The daughter board needs to plug directly into the DIP socket in place of the chip. No cables just two rows of pins that plug into the main board DIP.
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    Sceadwian Sceadwian is offline
    It would be more than a little work but if no other sollutions are present you can always pull the pins out of the header with plyers mount them in a drill press/dremel tool/power drill type deal and use a grinding stone to trim them down on one end so they're rounded and smaller. That's 28 pins though that's a fair amount of work, if it's a one off project probably not a bad idea.
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    theinfamousbob theinfamousbob is offline
    Try flipping standard headers around, so the plastic part is on the silkscreen part of the board. That way they're not so long (depending on the thickness of the board). The only problem might be soldering them; the solder could interfere with the socket.

    -Infamous

    EDIT: Whoops, I guess you were talking about the pins being too thick. In that case, it might be good to expand on Sceadwian's idea, but make a mock router table or something to shave in one direction uniformly.
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    Sceadwian Sceadwian is offline
    It'd be pretty simple Bob. Get the pins in the position you want in the header before you pull them out. Use a permanent marker so you know where the base of the part that extends from the plastic that will enter your socket is. Once you pull the pins out you'll have that black mark to know where to mount them in the dremel tool chuck. Spin it up and press carefully on a grinding stone. Just watch it, it's easy to grind things to a point in a dremel tool this way =) I've done this to grind toothpicks into perfect little miniature wooden stakes for a piece of scenery I made for a friends Warhammer game. Drill bit through the skull of a model miniature, insert toothpick. Little details like that add a lot to a model scene. But I digress =>
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    3v0 3v0 is offline
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    Wow and thanks for the input. It is not important enough to merit that much work.

    I know we did this at one time but maybe the trick was to use a machine tool socket on the main board. I have a friend from the old days and will give him a call tomorrow.
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    ericgibbs ericgibbs is online now
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    hi 3v0 aka Bob?

    These component mounting boards fit like an ic into the ic socket, same pin structure as ic.

    http://www.cambion.com/Main/component_boards.htm


    >> IIRC regular .1 inch strip header pins are too large will ruin the DIP socket on the main board. They do from experience!
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    gootee gootee is offline
    In looking at a datasheet for a typical Tyco "500-series" machined-pin DIP socket (e.g. mouser.com 506-508-AG11D), I see that they also accept round pins that are from .016" to .021" diameter, with a .105" minimum length, in addition to .009"x.015" through .011"x.020" rectangular pins.

    Mill-Max makes a long-tail DIP socket with pins that have .020" width (can't tell if they're round or not) and .170" length, which should leave .105" or more pin-length under your daughterboard for daughterboard thicknesses of .065" or less, except for the thickness of the solder joints. So they might work if you use a .031"-thick daughterboard. Part numbers for 40-pin ones, at mouser.com, are 575-11143640 and 575-993640. They would have to be soldered on the bottom side of your board.

    Mill-Max also makes DIP headers (with .018" pins) that might work better, if you use two single-inline ones. But you'd have to solder them on the top side of the board. You can go to http://www.mouser.com and search for 575-641591 and then download the catalog page from the link that will come up with the part listing, and look at the last four items on the page. They're a little pricey. So it might be a good idea to look at some cheapo pin headers' datasheets and see if any of their pins are small-enough.

    Aries Electronics ( http://www.arieselec.com ) makes some adapters that are just like the ones ericgibbs pointed out. Mouser.com has them, but apparently only up to 28 pins. Their datasheet shows the pins as .019" x .015" x .150". So they might leave .105" for the socket, if you use a .031" daughterboard thickness, depending on the thickness of your solder joints. (But notice that their rectangular pins are larger than the Tyco socket is spec'd for. Typo, maybe?)

    Aries also makes some 40-pin machine pin collet sockets that have a .183"x.020" solder tail pin (their "E" version: Aries # 40-6518-10E). But they're "non-stocked" at mouser.com .

    If none of the above will work for you, it looks like maybe you should just look closely at the specs for various sockets and headers, and you might find some that would work.

    Good luck!

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