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    mr_fitz mr_fitz is offline

    hockey shooter tutor - activates light - how trigger?

    Hi
    I have a question about a trigger system. I want to make a hockey shooter tutor as depicted in the images below. The puck passes through a hole in some plywood, and sets of a light to reward the shooter. Here are my ideal operation parameters:
    1) light is AC - household wall plug, because this will be outside on a rink
    2) putting puck through any hole should set off the light.
    3) the light and trigger system should reset by itself in a short period of time - 5 seconds or less - to facilitate rapid fire sessions with several pucks. A mechanical system is fine, but I don't weld.
    4) I am not an electrician or electrical hobbyist so speak slowly...
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

    Yes, the light will be behind a mesh barrier so shooters don't pick it as target #6!

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    ericgibbs ericgibbs is online now
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    hi,
    What diameters are the holes and the pucks.??

    Also must the puck be a 'regulation' type puck. eg: could it be 'doctored' to include say a small magnet.?
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    mr_fitz mr_fitz is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by ericgibbs View Post
    hi,
    What diameters are the holes and the pucks.??

    Also must the puck be a 'regulation' type puck. eg: could it be 'doctored' to include say a small magnet.?
    The diameter of the holes is somewhat flexible, but I was thinking in the neighbourhood of about 8 inches dia.
    Diameter of a puck is 3 inches by 1 inches height.
    I would rather not doctor the pucks...meant to be used on outdoor rink...pucks get lost easily in the snow despite backstops... about 50 pucks get used throughout the winter. If this is relatively easily done with cheap magnets, sure I am willing to drill 50 holes and backfill with silicone or somesuch.

    Some sort of active sensor like the ones protecting us from being squashed by our garage door (opener) cannot be cheaply purchased/incorporated? With the configuration in the images, this would "only" require 3 sensors - if the middle hole is removed or lowered to the bottom row, 2 sensors?
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    ericgibbs ericgibbs is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_fitz View Post
    The diameter of the holes is somewhat flexible, but I was thinking in the neighbourhood of about 8 inches dia.
    Diameter of a puck is 3 inches by 1 inches height.
    I would rather not doctor the pucks...meant to be used on outdoor rink...pucks get lost easily in the snow despite backstops... about 50 pucks get used throughout the winter. If this is relatively easily done with cheap magnets, sure I am willing to drill 50 holes and backfill with silicone or somesuch.

    Some sort of active sensor like the ones protecting us from being squashed by our garage door (opener) cannot be cheaply purchased/incorporated? With the configuration in the images, this would "only" require 3 sensors - if the middle hole is removed or lowered to the bottom row, 2 sensors?
    hi,
    The requirement of an IR system would mean the beam would have to be broken by the 3in dia puck over a 8in dia hole.

    If a simple single beam path could be used you would only require two beams, top left down to bottom right and top right down to bottom left.
    The problem is the beam width required to cover a 8in dia hole.

    The magnet idea was to use a 8in dia coil around each hole and detect the magnet passing thru the hole.

    I am sure it can be done, we will look it over..
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    nickelflippr nickelflippr is offline
    How about skipping the nets for a pan-sized metal target, could be plywood covered. Think of a rain-cap/flapper valve atop a diesel exhaust stack. The target swinging back unloads a micro-switch to start a one shot 555 circuit for the light/buzzer.
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    ronv ronv is offline
    That sounds like it to me. Or you could put the same flapper in the hole just like your picture. Whatca think?
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    MrDEB MrDEB is offline
    IMO an IR sensor circuit is easiest. Just use mirrors and hopefully they don't fog up?
    If you use a funneling setup so all the holes are attached to one output, like a pool table then only one sensor is needed using two IR emitters/detectors.
    Large diameter PVC drain pipe comes to mind
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    mr_fitz mr_fitz is offline
    Okay MrDEB, since using IR sensors is what I originally had in mind I am curious as to what precisely this would look like. 1) Would you please post a link(s) to the parts you are referring to ("sensor", "IR emitters/detectors" << these are different parts?) - I am partially concerned about cost here - minus the battery and light I can probably do the flapper/magnetic switch system for under $50 - would the IR system be under $100 say? 2)Would you please describe in a bit more detail what you mean by funnelling? I thought that passing two "beams" across each hole would solve the puck to hole size issue. Does funelling solve this problem as well?
    3) In addition to fog, snow and frost are potential issues on an outdoor rink - this would concern me.

    By the same token, I am not sure how well these magnetic switches will hold up to the kids' slapshots over time - hence the appeal of the "active"? IR system.
    thanks.
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    Last edited by mr_fitz; 9th December 2010 at 01:33 PM. Reason: added link to other forum conversation.

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    gabeNC gabeNC is offline
    I would imagine that IR LEDs mounted to the back of that plywood would take a beating, miss the target and the puck slams the other side of the component. Get some kid with Gretzky like power and I wonder how often you'll be replacing parts. *Shrug*
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    nickelflippr nickelflippr is offline
    For the flapper/switch idea, I was thinking of a roller switch, not a magnetic one. Not sure which one would be more reliable. The linked switch is supposed to be good for 100k cycles.
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