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KeepItSimpleStupid

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I read an editorial in a professional journal and it wasn't the first time that this guy has brought up unconventional techniques which I would like to share:

A technique that I have used, but management didn't really like it was to was to thow out any and all ideas no matter how absurd. It turns out that this is a good technique.

Now some things from the the editorial "Think negative. " A powerful technique is to find the worst possible solution and learn from it"

Observe
Ask questions
Play and experiment
Explain the challenge in simple terms to someone not associated with the problem.
be watchful for the automatic no

The article goes on to to say that science is essentially that where others duplicate and cooperate findings. You don;t get revolutions by taking the first solution that comes to mind.

Initially, here, I got a little rejected. Now, I screw up now and then and the sharp people here are willing to correct without arguing and I''m willing to correct.
Observations in real life though are hard to ignore. There are gotcha's and unknowns. I think intuitively with some science, but not exact science, to back it up.
I'm not by the numbers basically because I remember concepts and not definitions.

It's amazing what you can do with heat loss and surface area. Surface area makes a huge difference. I saved myself from falling off a roof by knowing that the coefficient of static friction is higher than rolling friction and that increasing the surface area increases friction, when I started to slide, I didn't panic. I just layed down and I stopped sliding.

School has a purpose and unfortunately, I've heard it tells you "what to think" instead of "how to think". It relies on memorization and that's it's downfall. From what I have heard, the tests are leaning away from memorization and are now stressing concepts which i think is good and probably harder for most people. That doesn;t help in learning a foreign language though.

Use the right tools for the job. If the job is "Getting a degree", then develop tools to get a degree. Those tools are get the best grade and spit out what the teacher wants to hear. I challenged and won. The reason I won was "I'm not supposed to know that now.

I think one of the hardest thing to unlearn was the electron orbits. I was initially taught that they were circular and later a probability distribution.

Another concept that I fought with was conventional current and electron current. I wish that concept of conventional and electron current was defined much earlier. It really came to light when studying electro chemistry and solid state physics.

Neatness is important when trying to present things to others and even to yourself sometime later. I'm like Bob Pease of National Semiconductor in many ways, His organizing system was never understood and his workbench was a mess. People say it could find stuff and then put it back in a different pile and find it again.

I understand that if you file chronologically and I do sometimes. I may keep things in chronological, project associated or say like tools or like items depending on the stage of the project. I know which pile my stuff is in and I think Bob did too. Are all resistors together - No, Some may be filed in the resistor bin where others are filed by project.

I'd say that I find it hard to complete projects because of interruptions and priorities and the inability at times to actually work on a project because of medical conditions. I don;t always have control over the priorities.
 
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In your own way KISS.....you are having your own little rant here...you also get cross.

Only so much before you feel like bursting......like you have to let somebody or someone know how you feel....

All the stuff and things to do and all......and just maybe a few ears out there who kind of understand what is happening.
I think I sort of have a handle of maybe what you have to put up with/need to deal with daily.

I am not sure. But I think I have an idea of what it is like to be in your situation. Brilliant mind, one of the most patient and helpful Members here and you always speak sense....

I am just the opposite....the Joker. Lot's of stuff I don't know....some stuff I do....other stuff I still need to learn...and so on.

What I do know I preach about :p.

LOL.

All the best,
tvtech
 
My bench is a mess. I have to push the piles out of the way to put something on it. Sometimes it's one big pile, and not even of the the same types of things. If I didn't live with my lovely tidy wife, the house would be the same. And yes, I usually can find things straight away. Sometimes though I put something down for a second and it's completely vanished. I think it's dyslexia that does it. Though last week I had a really good clean and tidy, dredged with a magnet, so now half the bench is clear of filings, swarf, sawdust and components, and the other half has all big things on it, not as bad.

I like the idea of throwing out all ideas, even the absurd ones. Sometimes what seems ridiculous can contain the germ of a good solution. Been there.
 
Hi Throb

I have learned in my time to keep benches clean..
Especially if dealing in a busy/active/work situation where a little bit of Solder or a piece of wire from the last job can screw up the new one...

More work. I hate that. I always try to make as little work for myself.....

I often speak like a Hitler when it comes to clean benches.....

I have visited TV workshops here that are making money.....but the job costing is screwed up...why??
Simple...the person who has repaired the set cannot remember what spares they used...or wasted....because there is rubbish lying around that they canno't account for........

Hitler here...(a good one).

I kid you not. The very best CRT Tech (in my book) in South Africa works along side me around two Days a Week.
His shop when he had it made piles of Money....

He probably could have made much, much more with accurate Job costing....and charged the right people the right prices. Some less, some more.

He had no costing control though....now with me and my habits of clean benches after every job.....he gets that glazed look on his face...

Like "why did I not think of that"......
Will never admit it....no bother to me.

My attitude..give me good stuff to work with..I give you Gold. Minimum charges.
Give me rubbish to work with.....and well I probably will throw it away. Or I charge the crap out of you to fix it.....you decide....

Regards,
tvtech
 
I agree with you completely, TV, but this is my bench in the shed at home where sometimes I need to make a tool to make a part to make a project which I'm already halfway through, and I might have several projects on the go - and not just electronic ones. It's really hard to tidy away something I'm half-way through when I don't have anywhere to put it, and really time-consuming to clean up the swarf, metal filings, sawdust and wood shavings/bits as I go along. It's getting really quite cramped in that shed, I having to be a monkey to get in and out...
 
I'm bad at clearing up swarf, shavings etc in the garage-cum-workshop. An untidy bench/floor is ok by me (though my wife takes a different view :)) until I drop some small part and it manages to roll away and hide among all the rubbish. Then I regret not being tidier.
 
Sometimes though I put something down for a second and it's completely vanished. I think it's dyslexia that does it..
Actually it may be fairies. The shed is at the bottom of the garden, after all...
 
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This is after I cleaned up... (my apologies to tv :woot:).
 
Looking good Throb :)

It's the little pieces of wire and pieces of solder and old blown spares and loose screws and other metal things that lie underneath boards that cause crap.

You are good to go :p

All the best buddy,
tvtech
 
TV, I don't know why you think that is a photo of MY bench! Mine is made out of the door of the old shed that stood where my shed now stands!

I feel like I have to take a photo now!... Back with that in a while...
 
TV, I don't know why you think that is a photo of MY bench! Mine is made out of the door of the old shed that stood where my shed now stands!

I feel like I have to take a photo now!... Back with that in a while...

LOL :D

See you with photo....just now :p

EDIT EDIT: I have confused myself with Cowboy and Throb...
There is no end to my confusion :banghead:.

Sometimes I think I am a little nutty :wideyed:

The trip around the WWW searching for a diagram took it out of me. Lots of places that try to divert your attention. Porn and stuff. Never fell for it. On a Mission. Porn/other did not stop me from completing this task. Proud of myself.

Oh well, I did look here and there....prices are high and I do not have a Mastercard. So that is/was that...

Maybe next trip I will be better prepared.


Regards,
tvtech
 
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TV, you must obviously be made of very stern stuff. I am proud of you :)

Just a photo of my bench does not illustrate the situation, so I took photos of all the shed. Except the bit opposite the bench. The 'scope is a Cossor CDU150 I got faulty for 99p - repaired it, works lovely now. The circuit board is a faulty Devolo unit (my own) - looking like it could be a difficult and expensive repair. The mix of wood working and metal working tools is because I use the bench for both those things.

Shed also has garden things in it, and camping stuff I rescued from it's normal storage where it had got very wet last year.

Everything got very wet in the winter, roof had gone.

Bench is actually going to have an upgrade soon - I have just acquired a very large self-assembly desk, in pieces, so will be using parts of that.
 

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Hi Throb

You have been here since 2012. That is a long time Buddy :)
I reckon a rep is in order :p

Nice photo's BTW.

Regards......
that flipping tvtech :p

Time for me to start a thread again...see you there :)
 
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Yup. Been keeping me sane... Joined the forum trying to remember what I could from years ago and build on that - well I can thank many people here for the gains I've made in that department! Thanks!
 
Trust me, it's cramped in there. I need to dismantle some of the scrap. A lot of space is taken by supplies of wood and sheet metal and other reclaimed stuff. I have a box with a pile of partly dismantled printer bits in the middle of the shed, I have to take it out in order to get in! Really NOT making good use of my limited storage - a lot of those little drawers are empty, stuff still in temporary containers from before I got the drawers... not good. Trouble is I have no scheme for sorting components, and it's hard to work out what should be candidates for them, and since it's mostly board pulls I have lots! - three jars for caps (ceramic, electrolytic, film) a compartment box for resistors sorted by base value only, so I still have to rummage for the multiplier. Bigger stuff goes in old washing-powder-capsule-thing boxes. I have a small number of board pulled smd's - they are just all mixed in an old cosmetics pot. How the heck do I store those? Those smd compartment boxes are expensive. Maybe I should make a board with wide drill-holes in it...

I really need to empty everything out, do my bench refit and re-pack carefully, make sure the other storage isn't going to let water in and put that stuff back, and whilst I'm at try to sort out component storage
 
Hi Guys,

I dont know how you do it, if my bench was anything but organised i would drive me mad i think, i get angry when i cant complete simple things anyway so not finding a part would tip me over the edge,

Being new to electronics can be really stressfull, you think you have the solution then BAM!!!! "i wouldnt do it that way" "wheres your caps" why the high voltage" "spikes" "take the dog out" haha

so i like to have a tidy environment but i guess the messyness comes with experience and expertise, when i grow up i want to be messy hahaha

Regards
 
When I took physics I actually loved "unlearning" electron orbits. Finding out electrons are just floating in space, popping in and out of existence is quite fascinating. When I took calculus, a whole new world dawned on me when I found out how the integral and derivative are one in same (just opposites). You can use one to get to the other. One fascinating aspect of this is if you have Just acceleration alone, you can get velocity and direction!

Even though they dont have much of a place in Automation, they still fascinate me. I use the scientific method a lot when troubleshooting, but there is always that unknown factor for me. Part of it relates to experience, since I am still new at this job, and the other is just a complete crap shoot. Most of the time it works so I must be doing something right.

You should see my metal work shop. Aluminum and steel shaving everywhere!But I do try and keep them clean so I dont track shavings through the house.
 
...so i like to have a tidy environment but i guess the messyness comes with experience and expertise, when i grow up i want to be messy hahaha

Regards
I love it!

Been "messy" my whole life (even born "messily", or so I've been told).

At times it drives me mad but, thank goodness, I get over it...:woot:
 
Me too - I think I must have a "mess field" which surrounds me! It's my best dyslexic trait :D. My better half thinks otherwise though...
 
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