Pins availables to program PIC18F452

[ZERS]

Hi all,

I was wondering if the attached schematic is correct to program th e PIC18F452 'in situ'.

I've got a PIC programmer but I want to be able to re-program the PIC when it will be in position into my CD player.

The "programming" circuit is made of :
1-MAX232 to connect the DB9F cable, coming from my PC
2- The max232A is linked to the pic as follows :
- TX to RC6 (pin 26 of the PIC)
- RX to RC7 (pin 27) and RB6 (pin 39)

Is it correct ?

regards

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Hi all,

I was wondering if the attached schematic is correct to program th e PIC18F452 'in situ'.

I've got a PIC programmer but I want to be able to re-program the PIC when it will be in position into my CD player.

The "programming" circuit is made of :
1-MAX232 to connect the DB9F cable, coming from my PC
2- The max232A is linked to the pic as follows :
- TX to RC6 (pin 26 of the PIC)
- RX to RC7 (pin 27) and RB6 (pin 39)

Is it correct ?

regards

I'm presuming this is for using a 'bootloader'?, and not for using a programmer?, if so the chip needs to be programmed with the bootloader code before fitting it in the circuit.

I don't see what the connection to RB6 is for?.

Have a look at https://www.microchipc.com/PIC18bootload/ for information on bootloaders.

 

[ZERS]

I'm presuming this is for using a 'bootloader'?, and not for using a programmer?, if so the chip needs to be programmed with the bootloader code before fitting it in the circuit.

Might be that's why I'm talking about.

Let me explain :
The PIC is used to control a DIY CD PLAYER.

Firstly, the pic will be programmed using a programmer and MAPLAB "outside" the CD PLAYER.
Then the PIC will be placed in the controller board of the player.
That could be a "bootoader" but the size of the program might be big. Does a bootloader support this ?

I don't see what the connection to RB6 is for?.

That's my problem. What's the good schematic ?

Regards

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

Firstly, the pic will be programmed using a programmer and MAPLAB "outside" the CD PLAYER.
Then the PIC will be placed in the controller board of the player.
That could be a "bootoader" but the size of the program might be big. Does a bootloader support this ?

Bootloaders are usually under 256 bytes, although I've only used 16Fxxx ones.

I don't see what the connection to RB6 is for?.

That's my problem. What's the good schematic ?

Try the link I posted above, it tells you everything you need to know, and provides all the software.

 

[ZERS]

thanks nigel, I've visited the link above and everything is OK, excepted the crystal frequency.

I will amend my code to deal with 20Mhz..

By the way, I did not really understand the difference (in terms of circuit) between a bootloader and a simpler programmer
Could you please explain in short terms ?


As far as the code is concerned, the application code must be located in a specific part of the memory. Adding such an instruction to the application code is not a real issue..

Regards

 

[Nigel Goodwin]

By the way, I did not really understand the difference (in terms of circuit) between a bootloader and a simpler programmer
Could you please explain in short terms ?

Again, that website probably explains it all!.

But basically a programmer runs software which writes to the target chip, the target chip doesn't run (and mustn't run) during this process.

A bootloader runs in the target chip, it receives a simple RS232 file from the computer, so the computer doesn't run any programming software, it's all in the target chip.

When you buy a PIC it's blank, so the only way to get code in it is to use a programmer, you can then load a bootloader into it, and use a serial port bootloader transfer after that.

 

[ZERS]

By the way, I did not really understand the difference (in terms of circuit) between a bootloader and a simpler programmer
Could you please explain in short terms ?

Again, that website probably explains it all!.

But basically a programmer runs software which writes to the target chip, the target chip doesn't run (and mustn't run) during this process.

A bootloader runs in the target chip, it receives a simple RS232 file from the computer, so the computer doesn't run any programming software, it's all in the target chip.

When you buy a PIC it's blank, so the only way to get code in it is to use a programmer, you can then load a bootloader into it, and use a serial port bootloader transfer after that.

thanks, it is clear now...

Will look into the bootloader above.

Regards