Hi again,
So you are saying that you think that an EM wave exists between the two plates? Is that what your drawing showed?
ok, that's a decent drawing. What is that chain between pumps doing for us?
I think in my setup if we used a chain it would be between the two tanks, but i'll wait till you explain more.
In my setup, there is definitely gravitational attraction between the two tanks, so it though we could think of that as a 'field' even though relativity would tell us that space time has changed. The gravity (or spacetime) does not have the ability to pull the water through the side of the tank. The 'field' or 'influence' or warping of space time does exist, but that's all, as there is no water between the tanks. Quantum physics would probably tell us something like the probability of finding a water molecule between the two tanks is very very close to zero.
If we look at this another way, if we remove the phrase "displacement current" from the books we would not have lost anything.
Im thinking that the only real proof lies in quantum physics, because after all, the electron frequency is on par with the Plank constant, unlike say an elephant
Last edited by MrAl; 25th March 2011 at 09:16 PM.
Yeah i can see from your myriad of posts
I felt we were concluding and drew something not related to water. i thought we were pass that and simply put the chain between the Plates as you suggested and called it an EM field.
I also requested that people look at it for a final to see if there would be another way they would like to complete the phenomena. if you could bring more clarification I would be happy to have your explanation of whats happening or not?
I would appreciate it.
Edit: Your post #418
ok, that's a decent drawing. What is that chain between pumps doing for us?
I think in my setup if we used a chain it would be between the two tanks, but i'll wait till you explain more.
In my setup, there is definitely gravitational attraction between the two tanks, so it though we could think of that as a 'field' even though relativity would tell us that space time has changed. The gravity (or spacetime) does not have the ability to pull the water through the side of the tank. The 'field' or 'influence' or warping of space time does exist, but that's all, as there is no water between the tanks. Quantum physics would probably tell us something like the probability of finding a water molecule between the two tanks is very very close to zero.
If we look at this another way, if we remove the phrase "displacement current" from the books we would not have lost anything.
Im thinking that the only real proof lies in quantum physics, because after all, the electron frequency is on par with the Plank constant, unlike say an elephant
Last edited by MrAl; 25th March 2011 at 09:16 PM.
Hi again,
Well, the setup i was talking about was only able to emulate the real system to a point, and it was only to show how something that doesnt exist in nature can be used as a mathematical tool. This was best described by the "We have too much information" theory, where that basically says that we have more information (ideas, mathematics, etc.) than we have reality. We can imagine a unicorn, we can draw a unicorn, we can even measure the picture of a unicorn and calculate an approximate size for its single horn, and in fact notice that we can talk extensively about this creature that doesnt even exist! Our imagination exceeds reality, so from time to time we will make things up to help explain and functionally calculate things that really do exist.
Talking about gravity, there are theories now that explain gravity in terms of many more dimensions than 3 or 4 as we usually accept in everyday life, yet there is, as of the time of this writing, no proof of their existence. There's another example of calculating something using entities that may not exist.
I've found another physics book in something like its eighth edition now that talks about the problem of calling it "displacement current". They said that this is a poor choice of terms but it is too ingrained into history to remove from all the text books. They admit that it is not a current at all, even though students are asked to calculate "it" in problems in textbooks. So now we have at least one MIT professor, another college professor, and three physics books all denying the existence of a current in a vacuum capacitor. Another quote, "We have come to accept that the displacement current is not real".
Finally physicists were forced to the following frustrating conclusion: Maxwell's displacement current term is correct and belongs in the equations of electromagnetism; but the ether idea, on which its discovery was based, is incorrect.
Hello TheElectrician, thanks for your contributions. Personally, I take it a step further, and since the displacement current completes the theory of circuit current, and satisfies the principles of circuit analysis in many cases, and other reasons, then it is if fact a real current, on par with conduction current. So, current comes from two sources, charge flow and changing electric flux. It may not presently be popular to think of it that way, but I go by what the math and analysis tell me.
(besides, it gets the trolls, who want to try to force everyone to think their way, really worked up. And that's the best part about it Heh!)
But, using the word "real" to qualify "current" is itself a semantic issue, and will lead to objections from others. Sigh!
From "The Ether"
What I've said all along.
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