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Microchip buys Atmel

Discussion in 'Microcontrollers' started by jjw, Apr 6, 2016.

  1. Mikebits

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    The single most largest revenue maker in the MCU market is automotive (I can't imagine the hobby market is even a blip on the sales chart). According to EE Times, the merger will position Microchip a dominant position in a market that is expected to grow well beyond 2017.

    http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?section_id=36&doc_id=1328742
     
  2. Tony Stewart

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    According to IHS... Survey says...

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    I guess Microchip means dominant in the "Others" category, which is still pretty large.
     

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  3. MrAl

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    Hi,

    When i first starting using bipolar transistors from the then Zetex i was amazed at how low their saturation voltage was. Made for some high efficiency switching converters. I had or still have one of their Schottky diodes with forward voltage of 0.2 volts.
     
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  5. Tony Stewart

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    Yes my matching the BE and BC diode characteristics during saturation , the Vce is the difference voltage and can be made very small. This requires special transistor design.
     
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    I had opened up another thread in the subject, but Ian steered me to this one.
    So I'm going to continue my discussion here. This is what I had posted earlier:

    Do you know what is going to happen? Well, according to the press statement published on their website, they offer the following golden nuggets:

    "Microchip also announced that Atmel’s sales and earnings for the quarter ending March 31, 2016 are expected to be significantly lower than Atmel’s December 31, 2015 quarterly results."

    "Steve Sanghi, Microchip’s Chairman and CEO said, “The performance of Atmel since we engaged in discussions in August of 2015 has been disappointing."

    "We understand Atmel’s business well and we plan to rapidly integrate Atmel into Microchip, grow its sales, improve its gross margin percentage, bring down operating expenses and improve profitability."


    In other words, layoffs, plant closures and eventual phasing out of Atmel's product line.
     
  7. MrAl

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    Hi,

    I dont think it would be wise to do that because of the customer base they must have gained because of Atmel. I dont have all their inside information though so i cant say for sure. They dont seem to be that stupid, which would mean buying a company that was already going down hill just to close it. They must have believed they could turn a profit. I guess we will find out in the not too distant future :)
    Maybe they can rename the Atmel products to "PIC-something", like the PIC-328P so all the Arduino's would be using the PIC-328P then :)
    Alternately, maybe they are trying to scare people into buying a lot of Atmel products now while they are 'still' available, making them think they wont be available one day soon.
     
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    Who would eventually do that? Hobbyists or big manufacturers? Is that reasonable in this business? Curious about that.
     
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    Hobby market is kind of big but there's a lot of atmel parts in stuff that's not got a arduino anywhere lol but the big move is iot of things. Is what I'm thinking
     
  10. MrAl

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    Hi,

    Well, me, for one :)

    Anyone who has a large investment in equipment that has to be repaired in the future. They dont want to have to replace the equipment if they can get away with it, just fix it.
    You mean reasonable for Microchip? I dont know, but it's so hard to say anything is sure in this economy where they seem to try almost anything to get sales. I'm just guessing though, throwing out some ideas and see what actually comes about in the future for MC.

    I do like their PIC chips, and if they came out with a board that is comparable both in functionality and price to the boards like the the Arduino Nano for example, i'd hop on board in a heartbeat. I can get ten Nanos for the price of one of their PIC based boards right now, and i can use a Nano in a LOT of different types of products both simple and very complex. If they can get near that target price i'd definitely get some of their boards as soon as tomorrow or the day after, no joking. If they had some, in that same price range, that worked with the Arduino IDE without too much extra trouble, i would get on the phone right now and order some yesterday or the day before that :)
     
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    Why would you need a board? Arduino need boards because they need to install a USB chip and pre-program their bootloader. Once this is done, they can be used with Arduino software. That's the only point to have boards.

    With PICs, you don't need any of these. You just use single chips. You use ICSP connection which lets you program it, or debug it in real time! You can insert a single chip everywhere where Arduino nano could go - onto breadboard, solder it on PCB, can even do dead bugs if you like. And they are smaller and many of them are cheaper than Arduino nano.

    What's more. If you like your project, you can switch to really small TQFP, QFN or SSOP footprint and start the commercial production without changing anything. Better yet, you still can program and debug them right on your production board. And PCB manufacturing is now as cheap as never, so it is not really expensive to print professional PCBs for your home project.

    This is much much better than Arduino bootloader model.

    Did I forget to mention that you have hundereds of PICs to choose from (not just few Arduino models).
     
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    Stuff happens when others have a chance to look at the books in detail:
    http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1329412
     
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    Arduino is not an Atmel product. It's an independently developed product line that just happens to use an Atmel processor. And one story that I've heard is that the PIC was a candidate for use on the Arduino. The tipping point was that Atmel had an open source C compiler. And it's the open source aspect that has made the Arduino such a widely accepted and supported product line.
     
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    Yep it would of been a pic on the arduino had they had a free compiler. But there is a arduino like ide that works with a hand full of pics and runs the same code as the arduino called the pinguino It work really well I think. Here a screenshot of the chips it can use if some would get on the band wagon maybe it would be even better LOL ping.png
     
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    Hello,

    So who said it was?

    I dont remember saying that the Arduino was an Atmel product, but it uses the Atmel chip. All i said was if MC had a similar board for a SIMILAR price, i would jump on it. MC makes boards too, or at least did at one time (i dont keep up on them as much as i used to) so it makes sense to think about MC making boards like Arduino themselves only with PIC chips. Of course if anyone else under the sun made them again for a similar price i would be very interested too. I dont really care who makes the board though, what i care most about is getting a board at a price similar to the Nano that has similar functionality.

    The Nano is a whole USB interface development board about the size of a large DIP package, and the cost is very low, less than most MC chips alone cost. If anyone makes a board like that for PIC's that would be very nice, as long as the development equipment didnt cost a small fortune. MC wants to charge for everything so they got left out in the Arduino package.
     
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    Hello there,

    Yes that looks decent, but those boards are still a little esoteric and more importantly, much more expensive.
    The problems with expensive boards are many:
    1. Burn one and you're out a fortune.
    2. Producing a new product means buying another expensive board.
    3. Cant give them out as gifts as easily (i got my first Arduino as a gift).

    Do they even make those boards anymore, or to put it another way, can you still get one of those boards populated with chips?
     
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    I make my own it's not really hard but this is more for fun with me your right about price but maybe that's why atmel is going broke you can buy a whole board for under $4 dollars. Some even cheaper
    Some ones not making money there when your splitting penny's you better hope shipping don't go up or your labor wants a raise
     
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    For the same price, you can buy a PIC with built-in USB controller, built-in debugging capabilities, and better periphery in the size (and shape) of a small DIP package:

    http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/microchip-technology/PIC16F1455-I-P/PIC16F1455-I-P-ND

    Or you can buy it in a really small size so that you can fit a dozen of them on a penny and it'll be a space left:

    http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/microchip-technology/PIC16F1455-I-ML/PIC16F1455-I-ML-ND

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    But you're not comparing 'like with like', the Nano is a complete development system on a tiny board, a bare chip isn't anywhere near as instantly usable.
     
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    Depends on the use.

    If the use is to connect it to the USB cable, run a sketch and say "Whoa!", then Arduino beats everything - that's how they got popular.

    If the use is to build a (possibly complicated) circuit where controller is just a part of it, then develop and debug the program in-situ (the way Mr Al uses the Nanos I suppose), then bare PIC is more useful, although it may require connecting few more wires.

    If the use is to build 10 copies of the same device, Arduino is completely in the dust.
     
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    Hi,

    But they must have been buying the chips for the boards from Atmel right? I dont know the true answer though to any problems Atmel may or may not have had.

    I dont want to have to take the time to make boards like that anymore. Takes too long, doesnt work as well as it should sometimes. I have used proto boards in the past and hand wired the pins up to the parts, etc., but that takes a lot of time too.
     
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