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ID a zenor diode

Discussion in 'Datasheets, Manuals or Parts' started by KevinW, Jul 2, 2017.

  1. KevinW

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    I have a zenor from a 3vdc wall adapter, it has a 7 on one side and a c2 on the other.
    Can someone help me identify this, thanks.
     
  2. Nigel Goodwin

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    Why do you think it's a zener?.

    Assuming it's a surface-mount device, the numbers are often pretty meaningless.
     
  3. KevinW

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    Hi Nigel;
    This is where it was ...

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    how exactly does this help anything ↑↑ you do realize polluting the information space by such
    if you seek web for glass zener markings you might be lucky to find it

    . . . just a moment . . .
    i have 3.7V (@2mA) glass zener marked :
    B
    3
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    9
    assumes 3.9V nominal @ unspec. reverse current
    ? yours 2.7 assuming from 3V adapter (which the d/s exctract also hints but NOT confirms for your case)
     

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    If you can work out a schematic we should be able to suggest a replacment.

    Mike.
     
  8. ci139

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    the zener has(/ is biased to (by other components on the circuit)) it's operating range and in normal conditions won't fail
    so if it has not failed by input transients OR wrong polarity to I/O OR long term high temperature -- that is the causes that would get the circuit to operate outside it's design limits -- then it might have failed due some other failed components -- in which case replacing it would not have expected effect
     
  9. KevinW

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    It appears to be shorted, I get 2 ohms on both sides regardless of meter lead positioning.

    adapter.JPG
     
  10. Nigel Goodwin

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    And again, why do you think it's a zener diode?.
     
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    your supply likely!!!! is the left side of
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    and the right side of
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    images from src.
     
  12. KevinW

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    It looks like zenor and marked on the board as Z5 along with a diode symbol.

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    Assuming is IS a zener, and the circuit is similar to the second image, then it's only a crowbar - and would almost certainly have failed because of a high ESR electrolytic.
    It's got a diode symbol, but NOT a zener symbol, and it looks like a diode/zener - they don't really look any different.

    Why don't you draw the circuit out?, that should make it obvious what it is, and also suggest why it failed. It's possible it's a crowbar zener?, in which case it most probably did it's job and went S/C due to a high ESR electrolytic.
     
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    It looks similar to this schematic upload_2017-7-4_8-26-58.png


    which uses the power transistor and opti- coupler.
    Universal US Plug DC 3V 1A Power Supply Adaptor Adapter 100-240 AC Charger
     
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    That would be extremely painful for both of us.
    My inexperience coupled with a number of components would make that near impossible.
     
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    In which case it would be the 3.9V crowbar zener at the RHS, and the 1000M 10V capacitor will be faulty that caused it to blow.
     
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    There's not many components there, so not too bad a job.
     
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    I have a 10 volt 220uF cap in that location, it was really hot to the touch when I first started looking at this so I pulled it and it was fine, turned out to be the z diode that was hot and it was heat sinked to the cap transferring the heat to the capacitor.
     
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    How do you know it's fine?, have you checked it with an ESR meter? - that's the ONLY way to test it. If you checked in in any other way, then you've not checked it at all - failure mode is high-ESR, which can only be checked with an ESR meter (or a scope, if it's in a working circuit).

    It's a component which commonly fails in these PSU's (because they use a cheap lo-spec capacitor), and failure of that capacitor will blow the crowbar zener.
     
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    but there might be differences
    i improved your resolution -- sorry!
    adapter2x.png -- the pin-1 dot for opto is top-right so this is the Low side and the BJT at Hi (there was adoubt)
    • if you reverse polarity connected the battery to the output then that might have blown the zener and in that case your transformer is ok
    • if your switching transistor has failed switching then the TF might be done -- and it is (a lot) less trouble to buy a new supply
    • also possible that the sw'g-bjt failed first with some more components from line input side . . . but the TF might have survived -- then again testing it all out requires some specific knowledge/experience and maybe specialized el. lab. equipment
      -- e.g. it takes time and you have to proceed systematically - possibly logging the relevant data on the go
     
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  21. KevinW

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    I pulled it out of circuit and used a digital multi meter with a capacitor function.

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