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Hydrogen for hybrid conversions

Discussion in 'Alternative Energy' started by jchunterelectric, Jun 29, 2008.

  1. killivolt

    killivolt Well-Known Member

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    Cat's hate water.

    He was obedient to Nature when he seen the female across the street.

    Suddenly a car from no where and the rush of tires and wheels as fear threw him into the street and he darts across. Missing the oncoming danger.

    But alas he is caught by the opposing traffic before he can reach the other side.

    Ignorance was beside himself when he herd the news that he was framed by fear.

    Obedience just licked her paws and meowed. :D
     
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  2. Torben

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    Hahaha! I agree, except for one thing: that's not curiosity; that's just regular old randiness.

    That'll get any healthy cat in trouble any day of the week! :)


    Torben
     
  3. killivolt

    killivolt Well-Known Member

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    Meow !!!!!!! phssssssss ! phssssssss !


    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
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  5. Sceadwian

    Sceadwian Banned

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    I think curiosity killed the cat statement is answered by my signature. "But that's why they have nine lives"
     
  6. killivolt

    killivolt Well-Known Member

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    Cow fodder.

    The cat had 8 identical brothers. But the cow jumped over the mooooooooon.

    :D
     
  7. philba

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    watch your attribution - I didn't post that quote. (though it doesn't get quoted here... sigh)
     
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    9. . .8. . .7. . .6. . .5. . .4. . .

    I hope that cat learns to look before leaping soon. ;)


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  9. Mikebits

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    Who came up with this nine lives thing for a cat? I am sure I killed my wifes cat at least ten times :)

    Notice:
    No Cats were harmed in the making of this joke
     
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    Whas it really a Joke ??

    It sounds like a treu experiance :rolleyes:
     
  11. ArrowHead

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    A fuel is something obtained from nature with useful energy already in it, e.g. oil, uranium. An energy carrier is something man-made to collect some energy for a certain use, e.g. batteries.

    Fixed that for ya. And that answers your question.
     
  12. 3v0

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    Sorry about that, should have been ArrowHead.

     
  13. arrie

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    KV, you're killing me.
    :D
    You must be a part time stand-up comedian.

    Oh and, I thought water was also something from nature, like oil, uranium, etc.

    If you can run your lawnmower from water, even if it's using a bit more than it would gasoline, no one is stopping you from that.
    I just know people, animals, plants need it more.

    All fuel cell technology by the way is based on methanol as hydrogen carrier, not hydrogen itself, hydrogen just doesn't cut it, and I think that's the problem with H2O - HHO - booom - Oxygen. (sort of explanation for combusting water)
    It's an alternative, but maybe not its time right now, maybe later.

    The fact of the matter is, we need to get away from burning fossil fuel, it's stuffing up way too much.

    I'm gonna get into trouble, but I'll say what I'm gonna say next.
    Yes, I believe the whole crude oil thing has some conspiracy behind it.
    A lot of people/countries/organisations around the globe hates America, face it. Sorry if you did not know that.
    Manipulating "crude" can be a way to bring fragile economies to the ground, and big countries to a place where there enemies can make an easy meal of it.
    I'm not a people-hater, I'm not a racist or anything as such, but there, I've said it. I also don't believe in forcing any person to any belief, but believe in freedom..... to some extent.
     
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    Torben, that's one thing about cats, they don't know how to count, so they don't care =)
     
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    Yeah, I've noticed that too.


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    Hydrogen power

    Methanol - CH3-OH
    Ethanol - CH3-CH2-OH

    I've done some research, methanol is better suited to get to H, because of ethanol's extra C molecule.
    It is apparently very difficult to get past the second carbon in ethanol, and in a fuel cell for example, the first carbon is stripped off very efficiently, but not to be with the second carbon of ethanol. That second combination (CH2) actually goes to waste then.
    Or something like that.
     
  17. jpanhalt

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    CH3-OH ----> CH2O (formaldehyde) + H2

    CH3CH2-OH -----> CH3CHO (acetaldehyde) +H2

    You cannot do a similar relatively low energy reaction with the CH3 of ethanol or any other alkyl (fully saturated) group. It is because of the electronegative oxygen atom. John
     
  18. arrie

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    Now there you have it.

    The chemist is in the house.;)
     
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    I am surprised at all the negative thoughts.It would seem as if this subject is not well known.Let us all work together and help one another then maybe we will get some real answers.
    Can anyone tell me what seems to be the best :The coil (what is its function? ) or only the electrodes or perhaps both.
    Thanks Pops
     
  20. arrie

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    compuact, what exactly are you talking about, we kinda lost interest and resorted to comedy.;)
     
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    Oh, did you post your photo? I missed that. j/k:D
     

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