@Nigel

I think you have an exaggerated idea how effective a faraday cage is!
But if you think you can generate energy from nothing, feel free to go for it.

And there lies the ultimate question----"Who gave you the silly notion that there could ever be "nothing" anywhere at any time?". Where is this "Nothing" as you call it? If you are refering to empty space I told you physics states all space must be filled with radiation without exception, all matter must have motion thus filling the space within itself periodically. So it is a scientific fact that at no point any where at anytime can there be "NOTHING". What you call "Nothing" cannot exist because it would constitute an energy sink of infinite magnitude at which point everything that you consider "something" would rush towards this nothing at the speed of light filling it. Maybe science has missed something?, could you explain where this "nothing" is you are speaking of.

@uaefame

The sun will run out of energy in couple of billion of years. That mean its not perpetual motion.
Its seem to be perpetual motion because of the long duration but still it will run out!!!

Yes I agree, but will the radiation stop? When we look at a star this star could have burned out millions of years ago but we are seeing the light because light takes "time" to move at the speed of light. But we are dealing with infinite distances so the time frame is infinite--it never stops. Also as we all know energy is conservative it cannot be created or destroyed, just because the radiant energy changes forms in no way implies the energy no longer exists or has ceased to move.

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This circuit will also charge slowly in a faraday cage which rules out the possibility that RF or electromagnetic waves charged the capacitor--so what charges the capacitor?
I am not an electrial engineer but I know that there are reason behind everything. These reason can be discovered but need time!

I agree there is a reason for everything, I apologize if I have offended anyone but I have done the years of research and hundreds of actual experiments to prove for myself how things work in accordance with science. Yet many people state there opinion as fact without having done anything whatsoever! All I am stating is fact--- A capacitor(s) will charge without any work input from the operator, it is free energy and it may be perpetual as far as my small life here on earth is concerned. Your point that it may not be perpetual has no practical meaning in terms of "our" lives, If a free energy source lasts my whole life then I would be quite satisfied with that.
It is also funny that I believe not a single one of you will spend the $1 required to build the AV plug cap charger to prove for yourself what is real and what is not. LOL Such is life, everyone likes to talk but it is the men of action who will determine our fate.

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A capacitor(s) will charge without any work input from the operator, it is free energy and it may be perpetual as far as my small life here on earth is concerned.

What? Free energy my arse. You have to put energy into it, all the while some of the input is lost. Not even free.
Speaking of nothing, this thread seems to be approaching the abysmal vortex of a black hole.

Hey Mike I posted a circuit a few posts back utilizing a capacitor and two diodes and this circuit charges the cap with NO input from you---it comes from somewhere obviously I'm just not 100% sure where. The circuit will cost you under $1 to build, why not take ten minutes out of your life and PROVE IT FOR YOURSELF.

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But we are dealing with infinite distances so the time frame is infinite--it never stops.
How did you arrive at that conclusion? Even the furthest star in space has a finite distance to Earth.

So you know as a fact there are no stars AFTER the furthest star we can see with our best telescopes? WOW

@Cotowar

He also covers what happens when these real particles collide with the anti-particles. Basically they turn into "Nothing". As its positive and negative energy canceling each other out. I'm pretty sure anti-particle is the wrong term to use here, but its the only one I can think of at the moment, as the real term eludes me. Anyways, read that book if you want to know where "Nothing" exists. Also, what would you say exists in a vacuum? I'd say nothing, especially if the vacuum were shielded from radiation. Please fill me in as to what's really in a shielded vacuum if I'm wrong though, and yes, the pun was intended.

Now those are some excellent points
One thought I would have concerning the particle/antiparticle is does this sound reasonable? can you see something like this happening in reality? An analogy I would make is a stretched elastic band. If an elastic band is stretched out equally from the center producing two equally opposed conditions from the center. Then when the tension on the elastic band is released the opposite conditions cease to exist but the elastic band remains. There is a possibility that the particle/antiparticle are like the opposed conditions of the stretched elastic band, they are not something but a condition of something. When the particle/antiparticle collide the electrical tension or opposite conditions will cease to exist thus the particle/antiparticle will cease to exist. But---and this is a big but, you have to assume all space is fiiled with something. You would have to assume space is fiiled with charge carriers immersed in an insulating fluid having mechanical properties and what we call particles are not something in themselves but conditions of something hundreds of times smaller than an electron. If this is the case then a vacuum chamber can never be completely shielded from radiation because the radiation may not be travelling in matter but is travelling in "what" matter is made of on a scale so small it would be hard to comprehend. This is essentially wave theory, everyone has an opinion and I respect that, I like this theory because it makes more sense to me. The problem I have with Einstein's theory's is that there are too many inconsistencies and there are many things which make no sense like fantasy particles appearing out of nowhere without cause, I think every effect we measure or prove must have a cause we can prove.

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@Cotowar

Now those are some excellent points
One thought I would have concerning the particle/antiparticle is does this sound reasonable? can you see something like this happening in reality? An analogy I would make is a stretched elastic band. If an elastic band is stretched out equally from the center producing two equally opposed conditions from the center. Then when the tension on the elastic band is released the opposite conditions cease to exist but the elastic band remains. There is a possibility that the particle/antiparticle are like the opposed conditions of the stretched elastic band, they are not something but a condition of something. When the particle/antiparticle collide the electrical tension or opposite conditions will cease to exist thus the particle/antiparticle will cease to exist. But---and this is a big but, you have to assume all space is fiiled with something. You would have to assume space is fiiled with charge carriers immersed in an insulating fluid having mechanical properties and what we call particles are not something in themselves but conditions of something hundreds of times smaller than an electron. If this is the case then a vacuum chamber can never be completely shielded from radiation because the radiation may not be travelling in matter but is travelling in "what" matter is made of on a scale so small it would be hard to comprehend. This is essentially wave theory, everyone has an opinion and I respect that, I like this theory because it makes more sense to me. The problem I have with Einstein's theory's is that there are too many inconsistencies and there are many things which make no sense like fantasy particles appearing out of nowhere without cause, I think every effect we measure or prove must have a cause we can prove.

Yea, and to be honest, I can't even begin to explain the theory I stated earlier. My high school physics teacher was a former professor at UIUC, and was telling me someone in his PhD class did research on something similar to this. You can actually see the anti-particle in certain situations. You can do some stuff at ultra low temps, and you can get the particle to separate from the anti-particle. Tehy counter rotate, and shoot away from each other. I don't know a lot about this stuff,mostly because I don't see any practical application for it, but somone out there does, and the information is pretty interesting.

I personally believe all the theories are at elast partially correct, just in different forms. I guess a similar comparrison would be calling light a wave or a particle. In the right conditions, light can be either, so neither theory is absolutely correct. They both, however, express views that are at least somewhat true.

The only theory I don't believe in is creationsim, mostly because its based solely on wishful thinking, and there is no physical proof, no experiment, and no factual evidence that proves its existence. That's a different debate though, and one that I'm not going to start on this forum.

@Cotowar

I personally believe all the theories are at elast partially correct, just in different forms. I guess a similar comparrison would be calling light a wave or a particle. In the right conditions, light can be either, so neither theory is absolutely correct. They both, however, express views that are at least somewhat true.
The only theory I don't believe in is creationsim, mostly because its based solely on wishful thinking, and there is no physical proof, no experiment, and no factual evidence that proves its existence. That's a different debate though, and one that I'm not going to start on this forum.

I would agree, many people like to talk physics to impress other people but where is the practical application?. How can you justify spending billions on physics experiments like the particle accelerators which have never benefited mankind in any way. It is said some people have produced the same results from a table top device, which would amount to a "slap across the face" to any respectable physicist.LOL, History has proven that the greatest benefits to mankind were often developed in someones garage in there spare time.