PIC programmer and tester (POLL) - Electronic Circuits Projects Diagrams Free

andy.davies · 27th September 2003, 10:07 AM

this is a preliminary survay for my college project, wourking out how popular a cheap pic programmer and tester board would be. here are what the board featuires will be:

Programms all pic chips
tests all pic chips
set of switches for each port
set of LED's for each port
Anaglogue inputs (undecided amount)
a 38Khz TX and RX (for use with testing)
Expansion facility
Parrallel port programming

**kinjalgp** · 27th September 2003, 01:31 PM

Before polling, I would like you to clarify one thing. Will the programmer have a universal ZIF socket in which all PICs will be programmed or a different socket/adapter for each new PIC one can imagine. I just hate adapters.

And one more thing, why have you chosen parallel port? That's other thing I don't like to use because of very short cable length that it supports inspite of using buffers. RS232 rules over 15m radius

and RS485 over 1.2 km. This doesn't mean that I wish to place my programmer hundreds of meters away from my PC, but the above figures reveals the noise immunity of parallel port. Its very very poor. I have spent months debugging one of my programmer circuit and finally found that the 3m parallel scanner cable that I was using was the cause of trouble.

Reducing it to 1.5m solved it.

andy.davies · 27th September 2003, 07:00 PM

yes, universal ZIF socket was the idea, i should have made this clear. and i chose parallel, because of very fast programming times <1 second 90% of the time

MarkK · 3rd October 2003, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy.davies

yes, universal ZIF socket was the idea, i should have made this clear. and i chose parallel, because of very fast programming times <1 second 90% of the time

A PIC programmer is useless unless it has good software supporting it.
A parallel programmer does not support any 8 pin chips or memories.

So:
I would like to see a serial programmer that supports ICSP (including doing the rb4 bit to ground), and, most importantly, decent software that supports it and ALL the latest pics.
The problem is that on my present application, I spent more time arsing around trying to figure out how to configure the programmer for a new PIC type than on the application itself.

Mark K.

andy.davies · 4th October 2003, 09:06 AM

the software that i use doews allow for 8 pin chips, and i belive it has some memory capabilitys, to get the software goto http://www.picallw.com

Exo · 4th October 2003, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkKA

PIC programmer is useless unless it has good software supporting it.
A parallel programmer does not support any 8 pin chips or memories.

P16Pro40 is a parallel programmer with support for 8pin chips ....

andy.davies · 4th October 2003, 09:25 PM

at least someone agrees with me, where can i get P16PRO40 from, i use PICALL v0.10d

MarkK · 5th October 2003, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exo

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkKA

PIC programmer is useless unless it has good software supporting it.
A parallel programmer does not support any 8 pin chips or memories.

P16Pro40 is a parallel programmer with support for 8pin chips ....

Yes, what I mean is that a PURELY parallel programmer design wouldn't support 8pin chips....
Mark K.

Exo · 5th October 2003, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy.davies

at least someone agrees with me, where can i get P16PRO40 from, i use PICALL v0.10d

The design for p16pro40 can be found on
http://www.lpilsley.co.uk/pdf/p16pro40.pdf

it should work with picallw

Other good software wich I use is winpicprog ( www.winpicprog.co.uk )

andy.davies · 6th October 2003, 08:03 AM

sorry, little bit of confusion there, i thought that P19PRO40 was a piece of software, not hardware,this is good, i already have it

. and i am going to try using winpicprog aswell

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27th September 2003, 10:07 AM	(permalink)
andy.davies	PIC programmer and tester (POLL) this is a preliminary survay for my college project, wourking out how popular a cheap pic programmer and tester board would be. here are what the board featuires will be: Programms all pic chips tests all pic chips set of switches for each port set of LED's for each port Anaglogue inputs (undecided amount) a 38Khz TX and RX (for use with testing) Expansion facility Parrallel port programming

27th September 2003, 01:31 PM	(permalink)
kinjalgp	Before polling, I would like you to clarify one thing. Will the programmer have a universal ZIF socket in which all PICs will be programmed or a different socket/adapter for each new PIC one can imagine. I just hate adapters. And one more thing, why have you chosen parallel port? That's other thing I don't like to use because of very short cable length that it supports inspite of using buffers. RS232 rules over 15m radius and RS485 over 1.2 km. This doesn't mean that I wish to place my programmer hundreds of meters away from my PC, but the above figures reveals the noise immunity of parallel port. Its very very poor. I have spent months debugging one of my programmer circuit and finally found that the 3m parallel scanner cable that I was using was the cause of trouble. Reducing it to 1.5m solved it. __________________ "There is no way to peace, peace is the way!"

27th September 2003, 07:00 PM	(permalink)
andy.davies	yes, universal ZIF socket was the idea, i should have made this clear. and i chose parallel, because of very fast programming times <1 second 90% of the time

4th October 2003, 09:06 AM	(permalink)
andy.davies	the software that i use doews allow for 8 pin chips, and i belive it has some memory capabilitys, to get the software goto http://www.picallw.com __________________ There are 10 types of people, Those who understand binary and those who dont! www.casiofortissimo.co.nr http://aful.org/images/patent_button.gif

4th October 2003, 09:25 PM	(permalink)
andy.davies	at least someone agrees with me, where can i get P16PRO40 from, i use PICALL v0.10d __________________ There are 10 types of people, Those who understand binary and those who dont! www.casiofortissimo.co.nr http://aful.org/images/patent_button.gif

6th October 2003, 08:03 AM	(permalink)
andy.davies	sorry, little bit of confusion there, i thought that P19PRO40 was a piece of software, not hardware,this is good, i already have it . and i am going to try using winpicprog aswell __________________ There are 10 types of people, Those who understand binary and those who dont! www.casiofortissimo.co.nr http://aful.org/images/patent_button.gif