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Old 23rd July 2007, 07:17 PM   (permalink)
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Jeez, dude, you're link is not working! Not from here, anyway. We're batting zero. If this is your level of competence, MacDonald's is your only likely employer. Enter the link again and check it before posting.

Try again. Harder.
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Really sorry bout the link thingy!
The link I posted is correct but dunno y it aint workin!
Was wonderin if you could copy n paste it in ur browser?
If that stil dont work, maybe you should google it using the keywords
"Variable Traffic light" and that should most likely be the first thing you see with the course code ECE 476.
Thanks for understanding and for the help.
Appreciate it.
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Old 23rd July 2007, 07:23 PM   (permalink)
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He's got management written all over him.

Seriously all you had to do is make an effort, all you really stated was you have an Atmel chip a programmer and some sort of development board. Doing a crosswalk is a basic state machine and a simple venture outside to an actual crosswalk should provide you with plenty of ideas.

If it makes you feel better you're way ahead of another fellow here who's trying to build a crane. And he's in final year University!
Yeah I understand. Thanks for the post. Appreciate it.
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Old 23rd July 2007, 07:38 PM   (permalink)
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Well with any project that interfaces with humans you first order of business is to make it fail safe... that is design it so when it encounters the world's dumbest pedistran it will recover in a safe maner ...(Design elevators and you will understand)

The key to this project is therefore safety... You can not just rely on people's good judgement to stay out of harms way in fact you have to begin to think in the other realm that they want to harm themselves (dont beleive me we all have crossed a red signal !!!)

So first step is to make the electronics fail safe ie no "two" green lights on causing a crash, also fautly lights need to addressed, back up power (when car takes out one pole the other should still operate (if mandated by local laws) also the displaced pole the power should be removed (if not already done so by car)

So the basics :-
1.Backup power
2.Radio/modem to traffic control
3.Red light camera detection (inputs to facilatate it)
4.Redundant saftey ciruits
5.Faulty operation mode(ie flashing amber/orange lights are used in Australia to indicate to the public the system is in fault and by law you then can procedd through the intersection by obeying normal traffic rules)
6.Idiot proof things like sensors for cars(ie car breaks down over sensor) also the push buttons if some how they stick it should be detected and reported back
7.Have plenty of time to research ppl behaviours .... Good luck you going to need it ...
Thanks for ur post! Im trying to avoid using the decade counter and 555 timer as its almost commonplace over here for the traffic light project. Use of microcontrollers is new at my dept sadly! so even my supervisor is not totally of much help thats Y im havin difficulties! Im virtually on my own.
If im not able to cross over this hurdle, im gonna have to modify the normal circuit with the timers to somehow incorporate something new.
Thanks again. I really appreciate.
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Old 23rd July 2007, 11:58 PM   (permalink)
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Thanks for ur post! Im trying to avoid using the decade counter and 555 timer as its almost commonplace over here for the traffic light project. Use of microcontrollers is new at my dept sadly! so even my supervisor is not totally of much help thats Y im havin difficulties! Im virtually on my own.
If im not able to cross over this hurdle, im gonna have to modify the normal circuit with the timers to somehow incorporate something new.
Thanks again. I really appreciate.
Dude, you posted a truncated (the "..." bit) URL and pasting it into the address box would have shown it wasn't going to work. Here's the complete site address, if anyone cares:
http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/cou...76/report.html

You couldn't be bothered to check this yourself and correct it so you foisted it off on us to figure out. I'd like advise and help you but you are obviously clueless and lazy and helping you would eventually end up being a total pain.

The bottom of these threads usually contain four former thread links that relate somehow to the present topic. I've seen four relevant threads at the bottom containing "traffic light" in their titles. I highly recommend you check these out and see how these other school projects ended. You might find exactly what you need.

'Luck on your project!
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Old 24th July 2007, 02:59 AM   (permalink)
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Wow what a mess of wires. I see a CPU board of some sort, a few breadboards all this for a 4 way intersection with 4 hall effect sensors.

You'll need more than two months just to untangle the wires.
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Old 24th July 2007, 03:26 AM   (permalink)
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That's an STK500. That really is a mess of wires though. Willing to pay for a working design hmm? Sounds like you're going to fail your electronics course but I bet you're doing great in managment.
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Old 24th July 2007, 06:34 PM   (permalink)
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That's an STK500. That really is a mess of wires though. Willing to pay for a working design hmm? Sounds like you're going to fail your electronics course but I bet you're doing great in managment.

Managnent mmm dont they do that with paper and not wires no that looks more like the work of a "Electrical engineer" except an Electrical Engineer would have opted for using all the same coloured wire !
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Old 24th July 2007, 07:31 PM   (permalink)
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Looks all the same color to me, ribbon instead of rainbow cable... Either way a mess is a mess.
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Old 24th July 2007, 07:33 PM   (permalink)
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Looks all the same color to me, ribbon instead of rainbow cable... Either way a mess is a mess.

Now we are both being mean to the poor lad. I say we sell him a completed design if he can afford it !
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Old 24th July 2007, 08:18 PM   (permalink)
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Dude, you posted a truncated (the "..." bit) URL and pasting it into the address box would have shown it wasn't going to work. Here's the complete site address, if anyone cares:
http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/cou...76/report.html

You couldn't be bothered to check this yourself and correct it so you foisted it off on us to figure out. I'd like advise and help you but you are obviously clueless and lazy and helping you would eventually end up being a total pain.

The bottom of these threads usually contain four former thread links that relate somehow to the present topic. I've seen four relevant threads at the bottom containing "traffic light" in their titles. I highly recommend you check these out and see how these other school projects ended. You might find exactly what you need.

'Luck on your project!
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Thanks again. you should look at the "correct post" you pasted for the url link so u see that it still has the truncated ...... thingy! Its not like I dint paste it correctly!
Anyway I totally understand where ur coming from and I appreciate it. Such Reprimands and sacarsms are what actually put me in check. I hope that someday, I will actually get to where i aspire in life despite the fact that I may not be as privileged as you guys are.
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Old 24th July 2007, 08:28 PM   (permalink)
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Thanks for your posts! Like I said earlier, I definitely dont have a very privileged education/ tutorin like u guys so you will hardly understand but its al good. You should come to Nigeria sometime so you experience what im tryin to insinuate.
There is only one lecturer in the entire dept that knows the slightest about programming and microcontrollers!
I do appreciate the posts though and the fact that you actually took time to reply. Not something Im really used to!
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Old 24th July 2007, 08:41 PM   (permalink)
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We had no computers when I was in school.
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Old 24th July 2007, 09:33 PM   (permalink)
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We had no computers when I was in school.
I went thru my entire Diploma back 87-91 without my own computer and we programmed in assembler with optical erasable Proms ... no one chip solutions back then except for the 8051, 8048 which cost an arm and a leg for a poor student... besides our lecturers banned such devices as to quote them " you will learn nothing if you use a microcontroller" so all projects where based around a CPU like z80, 6502 or any other 8 bit cpu and we had then wire them up to RAM ROM and any IO and timers we wanted ....
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Old 24th July 2007, 10:31 PM   (permalink)
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Thanks again. you should look at the "correct post" you pasted for the url link so u see that it still has the truncated ...... thingy! Its not like I dint paste it correctly!
Anyway I totally understand where ur coming from and I appreciate it. Such Reprimands and sacarsms are what actually put me in check. I hope that someday, I will actually get to where i aspire in life despite the fact that I may not be as privileged as you guys are.
Thanks again.
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Point taken on the truncation, but I DID check that it actually brought up a page before posting it.

Anyways, it sounds like you're operating at a real disadvantage here. Your school simply may not have the experience or equipment to get you up to speed on this. If your instructors lack the experience to help you with this you SHOULD be able to solicit the web to get help.

But there are probably thousands of students in the world in the same predicimate that you are and they get the job done with minimal input from forums like this. I go to several forums every day and this one (elctro-tech) just gets loaded with these requests. You can understand that the experienced regulars here get tired of seeing these requests day in and day out, so they give nasty little barbs for answers. Your best bet is to present what you have done so far in schematics and/or drawings (the photos help some). questions like "how do I connect a Hall sensor to my processor" after explaining your project will get you more and better answers. Please don't expect the busy professionals visiting here to drop everything and dedicate themselves to your one project.

Anyone have an idea how jikes64 can present his case here and get proper help? We can't just keep beating on the guy, we too had to struggle as students before arriving at our present level of skill and experience. And I'm sure plenty of us asked lots of questions on the way up. I did.

Good luck with your project.
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Old 25th July 2007, 01:29 AM   (permalink)
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All anyone has to do for help here is show some effort. I've asked for help and got it, but I make an effort to google my queries first. There are thousands web pages with traffic light information. We are all happy to help and we're all here to learn and share.

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"If im not able to cross over this hurdle, im gonna have to modify the normal circuit with the timers to somehow incorporate something new."
What normal circuit? Post it so we can help. Do you know anything about your SDK? can you light an LED with it?

Look at the poor soul designing a crane in these threads, I mean final year diploma... Responds to any help with THE SAME QUESTION over and over.
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