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**3v0** · 7th May 2007, 11:38 AM

I agree that your search is not a good indicator. I doubt you even read all of my last post.

Their search was better...

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The ratings are based on the world-wide availability of skilled engineers, courses and third party vendors.

Just stop pushing BASIC so hard.

Do you know any language as well as you do BASIC ?

tdg8934 · 7th May 2007, 11:41 AM

I have been programming the Parallax line of SX microcontrollers but I haven't gotten into PICs or AVR chips yet mainly because I don't want to take the ASM leap yet. The SX chips are very closely related to PIC / AVR chips in many ways.

Parallax (www.parallax.com) offers their SX-28, 48 and 52(obsolete) chips very cheap (>$3 each) AND has a great FREE BASIC compiler called SX/B (SX BASIC). I have been using it for over a year now and have some really good projects along the PIC lines WITHOUT having to learn ASM. The only downside is that you need a $30 - $50 programming stick called an SX-Blitz (no debugging) or SX-Key (w/ debugging). I love the programming because as I started with their BASIC STAMP II chips, I quickly moved up to their SX line without learning ASM.

BASIC is a great asset and should be made available on all micro-controllers.

**3v0** · 7th May 2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike, K8LH

Which brings up a question. Why doesn't Microchip have a BASIC language offering? Do they not consider it a viable language? Or, were they happy with the commercial BASIC offerings?

BASIC may be popular with hobby types but the real market for language tools and chips are professionals.

Most people who do embedded programming professionally are either CS or EE types. For the most part BASIC is not taught in the professional track educational setting.

I do not use BASIC but some of the modern ones look quite good. But there are other good compilers in other languages.

If I did not already have 16F chips and the CCS compiler I would buy all 18F chips and use microchips free C compiler. Better to spend a few extra dollars on the chips then the compiler in this case.

gramo · 7th May 2007, 11:55 AM

I stumbled across that site a week or two ago, didn't believe the results it gave, so I researched into it a bit. Just pointing out the inaccuracy of their methods

Just letting those people who accept before researching know that the site is anything but accurate.

Code:

Do you know any language as well as you do BASIC ?

I'm also quite proficient with Assembler, C++ and a basic knowledge of Java (although I haven't made anything useful with it)

gramo · 7th May 2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 3v0

If I did not already have 16F chips and the CCS compiler I would buy all 18F chips and use microchips free C compiler. Better to spend a few extra dollars on the chips then the compiler in this case.

That would be a complete waste of money lol

A couple of 18F2620 and 18F4620 PIC's would keep you occupied for months!

**3v0** · 7th May 2007, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gramo

That would be a complete waste of money lol

A couple of 18F2620 and 18F4620 PIC's would keep you occupied for months!

Sigh. One drawer is marked 16F another is marked 18F.

The diff between modern BASIC and C are small enought that it makes the entire langauge debate more or less pointless.

gramo · 7th May 2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by 3v0

Sigh. One drawer is marked 16F another is marked 18F.

Dude, you have to upload pictures of these draws! I just gotta see this

nickelflippr · 7th May 2007, 02:08 PM

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I'd love to add a recent BASIC language offering to my 'toolbox' but I simply don't have the funds to purchase a BASIC language

Free! Great Cow Basic on Sourceforge.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gcbasic/
Not as robust in the library department as the commercial products. But at least you can make your own, if your are so inclined. Handles us timing delays no problem, and has a 'pass thru' assembly capability.

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7th May 2007, 11:41 AM	(permalink)
tdg8934	I have been programming the Parallax line of SX microcontrollers but I haven't gotten into PICs or AVR chips yet mainly because I don't want to take the ASM leap yet. The SX chips are very closely related to PIC / AVR chips in many ways. Parallax (www.parallax.com) offers their SX-28, 48 and 52(obsolete) chips very cheap (>$3 each) AND has a great FREE BASIC compiler called SX/B (SX BASIC). I have been using it for over a year now and have some really good projects along the PIC lines WITHOUT having to learn ASM. The only downside is that you need a $30 - $50 programming stick called an SX-Blitz (no debugging) or SX-Key (w/ debugging). I love the programming because as I started with their BASIC STAMP II chips, I quickly moved up to their SX line without learning ASM. BASIC is a great asset and should be made available on all micro-controllers.

7th May 2007, 11:55 AM	(permalink)
gramo	I stumbled across that site a week or two ago, didn't believe the results it gave, so I researched into it a bit. Just pointing out the inaccuracy of their methods Just letting those people who accept before researching know that the site is anything but accurate. Code: Do you know any language as well as you do BASIC ? I'm also quite proficient with Assembler, C++ and a basic knowledge of Java (although I haven't made anything useful with it) __________________ Spency. PIC Micro's - Your mind is the limit PIC's and interfacing with other devices - a PIC Basic Guide @ digital-diy.net