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William At MyBlueRoom · 28th February 2006, 04:47 PM

16F87 internal osc runs RS232 are there any 8 pin PICs with an accurate enough internal oscillator to bit bash RS232 communications?

**Nigel Goodwin** · 28th February 2006, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by William At MyBlueRoom

16F87 internal osc runs RS232 are there any 8 pin PICs with an accurate enough internal oscillator to bit bash RS232 communications?

Yes, any of them will do so - the 12C508 series and others have a calibration byte which makes them more than accurate enough at 9600 baud. But even the 16F628 (which doesn't have a calibration byte) runs 9600 quite happily using the internal oscillator.

Bit banged or not makes no difference anyway, the UART runs from the same oscillator!.

Mike, K8LH · 1st March 2006, 12:42 AM

The little 8-pin 12F683 sports a 1% tolerance 8-MHz INTOSC and you can find 9600 baud full-duplex and half-duplex demo programs at this Forum Microchip thread;

http://forum.microchip.com/tm.aspx?m=126290

Regards, Mike

Pommie · 1st March 2006, 02:51 AM

Mike,

A quick question about your MAX232 replacement circuit.

As you are using the RTS line as the voltage source for transmission, will this arrangement work with a 3V supply. Edit, have you tried it?

Mike.

William At MyBlueRoom · 1st March 2006, 04:22 AM

Cool schematic, I've never seen 2N7000s used as the buffer. I usually use a DS275. Question, why bother to invert a bit bashed port? I would normally just use 22K resistors.

PS Mike, I read your code for an 8 MHz clock, I wonder what the maximum baud rate with a 32.768 kHz crystal would be?

Mike, K8LH · 1st March 2006, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Pommie

Mike,

A quick question about your MAX232 replacement circuit.

As you are using the RTS line as the voltage source for transmission, will this arrangement work with a 3V supply. Edit, have you tried it?

Mike.

Yes Mike, RTS is is used to pull-up the open-drain... Yes, this circuit works well with 3-volt PICs... Here's a "working" 3-volt circuit... <added> Oops, sorry, it's a 3.3-volt circuit (grin)...

Regards, Mike

William At MyBlueRoom · 1st March 2006, 03:28 PM

Love the design, may I

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borrow

it in some of my future designs when using RS232?
I've moved most of my projects to RS485, longer range, multidrop...[/b]

eblc1388 · 1st March 2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by William At MyBlueRoom

Love the design, may I

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borrow

it in some of my future designs when using RS232?
I've moved most of my projects to RS485, longer range, multidrop...[/b]

You have not made the source/object codes of your projects public so I assume, at this very moment, that money is involved for providing them. You have absolute right to choose not disclosing them.

Would you paid for intellectual properties of design by others if you get paid for selling Kits which use that design?

William At MyBlueRoom · 1st March 2006, 05:32 PM

They will be available to anyone free for non commercial use.
The code is mostly fragmented on all the projects, but will be released when available.
I was hoping to make these all community projects, and the only money if any would be made by selling the PCB boards or kits.

Commercial vendors would have to licence the design.I'm hoping for a GNU type model.

Many of my devices were designed for practial use and some for fun (Snake, Owl, Zebra)

The Cricket was something I wanted to take commercial to compete with more expensive (and I wanted more control) commercial communicating thermostats like OmniStat, RCS & Aprilaire. But going commercial was going to cast $$$$$ so instead of putting it on shelf I'm making it open source for both the hardware including PCB layout gotta learn Eagle and software. I belive a community effort will benifit everyone.

All the commercial thermostats were inflexable in design, some have bugs (my Aprilaire is easy to lockup when communicating) so I went about designing my own. It's was originally much more complex and took many many different designs to get to the very simple one it is now.

Originally it included 6 relays to be like the Aprilaire, but I later split this into a seperate device the Ladybug.

So when the RS485 Cricket is combined with the Ladybug you have a 6 relay zoned system with RS232 control. You can add more Crickets, Ladybugs, Emu (designed for Curtain / Register control)

And control the whole thing from something as simple as a Rabbit http://www.rabbitsemiconductor.com/
(I'm putting up Hossenfeffer soon a Rabbit 37x0 to RS485 / RS232 MAX3160) or a windows or linux box) I have a 24/7 linux gateway running for music, web, email etc.

I'm more than happy to share the source code when available, I've only had my site up for a week and it's taken so much time just to get it looking right. Code snippits will be posted and daily updates will be posted (like www.slimdevices.com does)

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28th February 2006, 04:47 PM	(permalink)
William At MyBlueRoom	16F87 internal osc runs RS232 are there any 8 pin PIC with.. 16F87 internal osc runs RS232 are there any 8 pin PICs with an accurate enough internal oscillator to bit bash RS232 communications? __________________ Bill Home of the Firefly PIC Tutor Inchworm ICD2 http://www.blueroomelectronics.com

1st March 2006, 02:51 AM	(permalink)
Pommie	Mike, A quick question about your MAX232 replacement circuit. As you are using the RTS line as the voltage source for transmission, will this arrangement work with a 3V supply. Edit, have you tried it? Mike.

1st March 2006, 04:22 AM	(permalink)
William At MyBlueRoom	Cool schematic, I've never seen 2N7000s used as the buffer. I usually use a DS275. Question, why bother to invert a bit bashed port? I would normally just use 22K resistors. PS Mike, I read your code for an 8 MHz clock, I wonder what the maximum baud rate with a 32.768 kHz crystal would be? __________________ Bill Home of the Firefly PIC Tutor Inchworm ICD2 http://www.blueroomelectronics.com

1st March 2006, 05:32 PM	(permalink)
William At MyBlueRoom	I'm still working on the source codes. They will be free for They will be available to anyone free for non commercial use. The code is mostly fragmented on all the projects, but will be released when available. I was hoping to make these all community projects, and the only money if any would be made by selling the PCB boards or kits. Commercial vendors would have to licence the design.I'm hoping for a GNU type model. Many of my devices were designed for practial use and some for fun (Snake, Owl, Zebra) The Cricket was something I wanted to take commercial to compete with more expensive (and I wanted more control) commercial communicating thermostats like OmniStat, RCS & Aprilaire. But going commercial was going to cast $$$$$ so instead of putting it on shelf I'm making it open source for both the hardware including PCB layout gotta learn Eagle and software. I belive a community effort will benifit everyone. All the commercial thermostats were inflexable in design, some have bugs (my Aprilaire is easy to lockup when communicating) so I went about designing my own. It's was originally much more complex and took many many different designs to get to the very simple one it is now. Originally it included 6 relays to be like the Aprilaire, but I later split this into a seperate device the Ladybug. So when the RS485 Cricket is combined with the Ladybug you have a 6 relay zoned system with RS232 control. You can add more Crickets, Ladybugs, Emu (designed for Curtain / Register control) And control the whole thing from something as simple as a Rabbit http://www.rabbitsemiconductor.com/ (I'm putting up Hossenfeffer soon a Rabbit 37x0 to RS485 / RS232 MAX3160) or a windows or linux box) I have a 24/7 linux gateway running for music, web, email etc. I'm more than happy to share the source code when available, I've only had my site up for a week and it's taken so much time just to get it looking right. Code snippits will be posted and daily updates will be posted (like www.slimdevices.com does) __________________ Bill Home of the Firefly PIC Tutor Inchworm ICD2 http://www.blueroomelectronics.com