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jrz126 · 16th December 2005, 12:32 PM

Anyone know of a good programmer for the DSPic series?
Also, Is there a C compiler available? (I havent had any experience programming assembly as of yet.)
I'm looking to use the dsPIC30F3011.

Edit:
I found this link here: http://forum.microchip.com/tm.asp?m=109491
Looks like I'll have to use the 4011. I think I ordered one with my last batch of samples.
Also, with this bootloader I can just directly load my compiled programs to the DSPic via serial port?
Now...I still have the problem of finding a C compiler and getting the bootloader onto the DSPIC. I wish this stuff wasnt so confusing, is there like a standard programmer that Microchip uses (and updates)?

**Jay.slovak** · 16th December 2005, 05:04 PM

My solution:
ICD2 + MPLAB 7.30 + C30 => Fine DsPIC setup.
MPLAB is free and there also is a free student version of C30. Check it out at www.microchip.com. 8)

jrz126 · 16th December 2005, 09:16 PM

Hmmm...the software looks pretty good, but that ICD2 thingy is looking alittle expensive. Is there a cheaper alternative?

**Jay.slovak** · 16th December 2005, 09:24 PM

Of course there is, build your own, cheap ICD2 (as I did, costed me ~10$).

See my Sig.

jrz126 · 16th December 2005, 09:56 PM

coolness. but I still dont have a way to program the original PIC used in that programmer.
I do have some 877A's that are loaded with a bootloader. Would one of those work? Also, The bootloader thats on there (from my microcontrollers class) was run at 10MHz. I dont know if its capable of running at 20Mhz.

**Jay.slovak** · 16th December 2005, 10:06 PM

Any blank 16F876/876A/877/877A PIC will work. It has to be programmed with a special bootloader (MPLAB-ICD2 specific). This is not a big problem, you can use this very simple circuit to program the PIC with bootloader. (That programmer is a very cruel thingy, but it will be fine if you just need to program that PIC once or twice.... ). I think Stolz's site is pretty self explanatory.

Mike, K8LH · 16th December 2005, 10:21 PM

Hi Jeff,

Your bootloader installed 877A's won't work... You need to install the Microchip ICD2 bootloader with a conventional programmer... After that, MPLAB downloads the appropriate firmware into the 877A each time you change projects and target devices in MPLAB...

I would be happy to post you an 876A or 877A with ICD2 bootloader code installed if you think you'd like to try building one (my home brew serial ICD2 clone pictured below)...

Good luck... Happy Holidays... Regards, Mike

jrz126 · 17th December 2005, 08:03 PM

So where do I find this ICD2 specific bootloader?
I looked all over in those links and cant seem to find it.

**Jay.slovak** · 17th December 2005, 08:06 PM

Just tell us which PIC are you gonna use, A or non-A version and we will upload it for you. (There are two bootloader versions).

jrz126 · 17th December 2005, 08:18 PM

I've got a 16f877A.

Mike, K8LH · 17th December 2005, 10:31 PM

Hi Jeff,

Here's the 'A' version bootloader for 16F876A or 16F877A... Just rename the file using a '.hex' file name extension instead of the '.txt' file name extension (can't upload '.hex' file types)...

Regards, Mike

jrz126 · 18th December 2005, 04:02 PM

sweet. Hopefully I can get all of this stuff taken care of today.
When I go to program that PIC with the bootloader using that cheepo programmer, do I need to have my oscillator connected to it?

Also, for my ICD2 clone, is it very important that I have an exact 13V source for VPP?

**Jay.slovak** · 18th December 2005, 04:08 PM

Hi,

"Do I need to have my oscillator connected to it? "
No, program it without oscilator connected.

"Also, for my ICD2 clone, is it very important that I have an exact 13V source for VPP?"
Well, it's not that important. But try to be as close as possible.

Alex_rcpilot · 19th December 2005, 07:42 AM

I guess there're different types of ICD clones.Mine uses the MAX232's voltage booster to provide the system with Vpp,so there's no need to take care of Vpp any more.Which version of ICD2 did you choose,Jeff?

Mike, K8LH · 19th December 2005, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex_rcpilot

I guess there're different types of ICD clones.Mine uses the MAX232's voltage booster to provide the system with Vpp,so there's no need to take care of Vpp any more.Which version of ICD2 did you choose,Jeff?

What VPP voltage did you end up with?

Regards, Mike

16th December 2005, 12:32 PM	(permalink)
jrz126 Experienced Member	DSpic compiler and programmer Anyone know of a good programmer for the DSPic series? Also, Is there a C compiler available? (I havent had any experience programming assembly as of yet.) I'm looking to use the dsPIC30F3011. Edit: I found this link here: http://forum.microchip.com/tm.asp?m=109491 Looks like I'll have to use the 4011. I think I ordered one with my last batch of samples. Also, with this bootloader I can just directly load my compiled programs to the DSPic via serial port? Now...I still have the problem of finding a C compiler and getting the bootloader onto the DSPIC. I wish this stuff wasnt so confusing, is there like a standard programmer that Microchip uses (and updates)? __________________ Jeff Zimmerman To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

16th December 2005, 05:04 PM	(permalink)
Jay.slovak Super Moderator	My solution: ICD2 + MPLAB 7.30 + C30 => Fine DsPIC setup. MPLAB is free and there also is a free student version of C30. Check it out at www.microchip.com. 8) __________________ "I share, thus I am" Jay.slovak Read this! ICD2 Clone Best PIC/DsPIC Bootloader Read my Inchworm ICD2 review!

16th December 2005, 09:16 PM	(permalink)
jrz126 Experienced Member	Hmmm...the software looks pretty good, but that ICD2 thingy is looking alittle expensive. Is there a cheaper alternative? __________________ Jeff Zimmerman To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

16th December 2005, 09:24 PM	(permalink)
Jay.slovak Super Moderator	Of course there is, build your own, cheap ICD2 (as I did, costed me ~10$). See my Sig. __________________ "I share, thus I am" Jay.slovak Read this! ICD2 Clone Best PIC/DsPIC Bootloader Read my Inchworm ICD2 review!

16th December 2005, 09:56 PM	(permalink)
jrz126 Experienced Member	coolness. but I still dont have a way to program the original PIC used in that programmer. I do have some 877A's that are loaded with a bootloader. Would one of those work? Also, The bootloader thats on there (from my microcontrollers class) was run at 10MHz. I dont know if its capable of running at 20Mhz. __________________ Jeff Zimmerman To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

16th December 2005, 10:06 PM	(permalink)
Jay.slovak Super Moderator	Any blank 16F876/876A/877/877A PIC will work. It has to be programmed with a special bootloader (MPLAB-ICD2 specific). This is not a big problem, you can use this very simple circuit to program the PIC with bootloader. (That programmer is a very cruel thingy, but it will be fine if you just need to program that PIC once or twice.... ). I think Stolz's site is pretty self explanatory. __________________ "I share, thus I am" Jay.slovak Read this! ICD2 Clone Best PIC/DsPIC Bootloader Read my Inchworm ICD2 review!

17th December 2005, 08:03 PM	(permalink)
jrz126 Experienced Member	So where do I find this ICD2 specific bootloader? I looked all over in those links and cant seem to find it. __________________ Jeff Zimmerman To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

17th December 2005, 08:06 PM	(permalink)
Jay.slovak Super Moderator	Just tell us which PIC are you gonna use, A or non-A version and we will upload it for you. (There are two bootloader versions). __________________ "I share, thus I am" Jay.slovak Read this! ICD2 Clone Best PIC/DsPIC Bootloader Read my Inchworm ICD2 review!

17th December 2005, 08:18 PM	(permalink)
jrz126 Experienced Member	I've got a 16f877A. __________________ Jeff Zimmerman To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

18th December 2005, 04:02 PM	(permalink)
jrz126 Experienced Member	sweet. Hopefully I can get all of this stuff taken care of today. When I go to program that PIC with the bootloader using that cheepo programmer, do I need to have my oscillator connected to it? Also, for my ICD2 clone, is it very important that I have an exact 13V source for VPP? __________________ Jeff Zimmerman To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

18th December 2005, 04:08 PM	(permalink)
Jay.slovak Super Moderator	Hi, "Do I need to have my oscillator connected to it? " No, program it without oscilator connected. "Also, for my ICD2 clone, is it very important that I have an exact 13V source for VPP?" Well, it's not that important. But try to be as close as possible. __________________ "I share, thus I am" Jay.slovak Read this! ICD2 Clone Best PIC/DsPIC Bootloader Read my Inchworm ICD2 review!

19th December 2005, 07:42 AM	(permalink)
Alex_rcpilot Experienced Member	I guess there're different types of ICD clones.Mine uses the MAX232's voltage booster to provide the system with Vpp,so there's no need to take care of Vpp any more.Which version of ICD2 did you choose,Jeff?

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