Electronic Circuits and Projects Forum

Originally Posted by Sceadwian

Boncuk, your statement of the 'two types of education' is the hot air in my opinion, the statement is blatantly false. The are countless types of education to attempt to simplify it by declaring that there is only one side or the other discounts rational reality that education like everything else in life is dynamic and personal to each individual.

OK, I stand corrected. So from now on let's call them two main fields of education - namely work/profession and general education.

So you managed to keep your feet on the ground (instead of parking them on his desk) while being interviewed by your employer and he invites you for a night dinner. (for a good reason)

The dinner runs smooth until you decide to vomit into the decolletee of your future bosses wife.

I guess you'll be fired before even being get hired. (lack of general education)

BTW, the man telling me about the bomb craters in our autobahns was an American citizen.

Believe me, we won't enjoy people like him visiting Germany as well as we won't enjoy dogmatic persons!

Boncuk

He broke out in laughter and asked me why I would need a fast car if all the roads were full of bomb craters from WWII. (That happened 1968!)

Take your guess about that country.

BTW, the man telling me about the bomb craters in our autobahns was an American citizen.

So you are saying the ignorance of some random American nobody in 1968 is a accurate measure of our entire educational system today in 2012 some 44 years later?

Originally Posted by tcmtech

So you are saying the ignorance of some random American nobody in 1968 is a accurate measure of our entire educational system today in 2012 some 44 years later?

You obviously hit the point: WWII ended 1945 and I talked about the year of 1968. That makes 23 years according to general arithmetics.

Go figure!

Well see post 18 for my thoughts.

Trust me as an American I can assure you most of us are well aware of the clueless dolts that travel the world or show up on international news representing us (not including our government officials either.)

They don't represent the majority but unfortunately its hard to prove that to the rest of the world.

Hi tcmtech,

I guess nobody has to prove anything to the rest of the world - as long as you don't consider any other country than the USA being part of the rest of the world.

Reminds me of the speech of one of our presidents (Heinrich Luebke) who held it in an African country starting with "Liebe Neger and Negerinnen ..."

("Dear negroes and female negroes ...") The country he visited was Ghana, but he was senile enough to forget about the country's name.

Very much to my surprise it were jewish US citicens with the highest general education level when I visited the USA twice.

The first time 1968 to 1969 and the second time 1975 to 1976.

No matter what theme you decided to work at, they always could participate with a great deal of knowledge. Most of all they surprised me with great knowledge about geography, which leads to another story concerning average german house wives' geographic knowledge.

A woman spent her holidays on the Baleares (spanish island group in the Mediterranean Sea). Returning home she was asked where she spent her holidays she proudly replied "Baleares" and further asked where they are supposed to be located she replied :"I don't know where. I flew there."

Boncuk

P.S. No soup is eaten at the same temperature as it is being cooked.

A woman spent her holidays on the Baleares (spanish island group in the Mediterranean Sea).

The English name for this island goup is the Balearic Islands which comprises the islands of Menorca, Majorca, Ibiza and Formentera.

If you want an example of people who should not be allowed out of their home country, take a look at some of the Brits who spend their two weeks holiday in a drunken stupour (spelling?) getting sunburnt until they look like lobsters on the island of Ibiza.

I am sure that most of them have no idea where they are in the world, just beamed up courtesy of messers Boeing and Airbus.

JimB

Gotta say what a laugh and the members THAT have a trade or degree have shown out, ReloadRon great read mate on your lifes work and I so know Boncuk is great experienced guy in electronics. TVTech has also shown the ol' school is a dying trade. Now look at this forum expert with NO formal schooling and no further trades/degrees he still is apparently in everything giving advise..... Go figure.

Bit about my life......

I am a Mechanical fitter/welder by trade these days and the heavy machining is long gone from this country, when I was living in the Pilbara instead of going to the pub every night I sat down with a slow modem and learnt electronics from scratch. What got me into that well I got a 4wd drive FJ55 dual cab ute with no engine and the wiring all shot. My mate said to me best to learn so I totally rewired it and with my learning put in a 20x4lcd to show the important car functions etc.

From there I have gone thru a 6 year job of repairing industrial gearbox's to 5 tom (and sometimes 8 ton...) and seeing so-called tradesmen working along side that don't have a clue and won't be told either. I talked with a mate to make some new gears and now he is finding trouble soursing EN36A to make the gears...... So his quote which will be several thousand $ is waning......

Todays job was fixing a semenalar/wheat germ seperator that spins at 2800rpm, due to vibration the machine was shutdown and I did find the input coupling was approx 1/16" out of wack. The front motor mount had broken and the front input bearing journal had worn done over 3mm. So with a new 1-1/2" 1045 bright bar shaft I put all those crude fabricated impellers back on the right way. Now in oder to both statically and dynamically balance this impeller shaft I made a crude knife edge jig being 200x10mm flatbar on a 60 degree angle so the edge of the flatbar will serve as the knife edge. It took me about 3 hours to get it balanced and I will take my digi camera into work on monday and take a pic. For a guy to take a job on like this is my daily task but I am getting old(48 in August). I got the boss out to have a look and he went out after I locked and said to me just after I left it was as close to balanced a fabrication can do.

With what they pay it comforting to atleast have a wage as us ol' guys as us are thrown on the heap with mining jobs etc.

Anyway with electronics I can now design a board in linux and print it out then iron it on to etch it. So ya being able to make your own PCB board is a bonus and figuring out the circuit first.

Lets see the young kids that think they are so great do what we guy's did when life was worth it

It is a shame young kids today are so bold to say they know nothing but expect us older folk to look after it well there is so much supply then nothing with bearings too. When I started in 80' there were 600 apprenticeships 3 years later they closed it. So from '84 let's say enginearing has gone to the dog's.

Anyway enough of me


Regards Bryan

Another education note. Those of us living in the US watched the entire economy tumble several years ago. Collapse may be a better choice of words. Fortunately neither my wife who manages a small television station or myself were scathed at all by the recession and fortunately neither were my kids who have kids of their own.

I began looking at let's call them the survivors of the financial meltdown. Overall the trades fared fairly well and when I say trades I refer to the butcher, baker and candlestick maker along with electricians, plumbers, and other skilled trades which do not require a degree or college education. Many hard hit were managers in business and general management positions where a business degree is required. Many of those jobs are gone and will likely never return.

What I feel is important is doing something you enjoy doing. Going to work should not be something disliked or dreaded. Also, finding a position that is important enough to an employer that others will be out the door before you when hard financial times hit. While nobody is indispensable or irreplaceable it helps to find work that makes you happy and pays well.

Electronics was my little nitch and of most important paid the bills and kept me eating over all those years. The fact that it worked for me is here nor there. Likely if I had it all to do again I would have pursued mechanical engineering or gone into the trades as a carpenter.

My observation here in the US is that for those who choose a career field and work to achieve goals and milestones will have some success.

I have always enjoyed Boncuk's post both in this off topic area and the mainstream forums. Anyone who could master the F4 Phantom has always held a special place with me. I just always questioned their sanity.

Ron