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Pommie · 25th April 2007, 02:11 PM

This is unbelievable, according to the BBC, these are test set by a Chinese University and a UK one. Full Story.

These are the tests!

Anyone up for the first one?

Mike.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 25th April 2007, 02:23 PM

It's quite probable!.

University entrance in the UK requires a specific number of A-Level passes, at specific grades - the top ones require three A grade passes. However, many sixth form students are encouraged to take easy useless subjects, because a high pass rate with good grades makes the school look good in the stupid 'league tables' started a few years back. This causes most schools to concentrate on climbing up the league tables, and forgetting to turn out kids that know anything.

So the better universities started giving entrance exams in Maths and English, to ensure they meet a minimum required standard.

Bear in mind, this isn't for a maths course, it's just to prove you have at least a modicum of knowledge.

Incidently, my daughter moves to sixth form in September, she's taking:

Maths
Further Maths
Chemistry
Music Technology

So a reasonably decent selection of subjects, with Music Tech more a 'fun' subject for her.

Pommie · 25th April 2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Incidently, my daughter moves to sixth form in September, she's taking:

Maths
Further Maths
Chemistry
Music Technology

So a reasonably decent selection of subjects, with Music Tech more a 'fun' subject for her.

My eldest daughter is currently at Uni doing Maths and Chemistry. She keeps asking me maths stuff and expects me to know it! I can at least help with the programming part of the analytical maths. They use a program called Maple - weired syntax. Be warned, she'll overtake you very soon and will be really shocked when you answer "I don't know".

Mike.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 25th April 2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pommie

Be warned, she'll overtake you very soon and will be really shocked when you answer "I don't know".

What do you mean 'soon'? - that happened years ago!

Papabravo · 25th April 2007, 02:53 PM

My daughter blew my doors off when she took Gross Anatomy w/lab as part of her program in Sports Medicine as an undergraduate. Nothing surprises me any more.

BTW - Why are the questions in English on the entrance exam for a Chinese University? I guess I wouldn't get in, Mon Dieu!, quelle domage!

Hero999 · 25th April 2007, 08:34 PM

At first I didn't believe that the second question is part of a final year exam (we had those sorts of questions back at GCSE level), but going from my experiances of Bedford college I'm not surprised at all.

I am surprised about the dificulty of the Chinese question. I hope it isn't true because if it is China have already overtaken us!

**Nigel Goodwin** · 25th April 2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hero999

At first I didn't believe that the second question is part of a final year exam (we had those sorts of questions back at GCSE level), but going from my experiances of Bedford college I'm not surprised at all.

Notice it was labelled "diagnostic test", not a final year exam, and almost certainly not for anyone on a maths course.

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I am surprised about the dificulty of the Chinese question. I hope it isn't true because if it is China have already overtaken us!

Their work ethic is so much better, and they aren't crippled by stupid regulations like the UK.

My wife works as a teaching assistant at our local primary school, actually in reception class (4 and 5 year olds). The lady from our local Chinese takeway registered two girls to start school, except they didn't start, and no one had ever seen her pregnant?.

Eventually, about a year and a bit later, they actually started school - in years 2 and 3 I think? - they weren't her biological children, they were sent over by relatives because the lady couldn't have children. Chinese culture still treats girls as very much second class, and unwanted.

Anyway, they came over from China, didn't speak a word of English, yet within a year even the teachers are asking them how to spell difficult words - now that's what you call impressive!. In just 12 months they have gone from non-English speaking to being towards the top of their classes in most subjects - and are apparently excellently behaved and lovely children.

Papabravo · 25th April 2007, 08:52 PM

One might well ask: "What is the difference between an entrepreneur and a salaryman"? One might further wonder why we should care about the answer. IMHO China will contiue to be a second class economic power as long as the people continue to tolerate an authoritarian political system. Is there any evidence that it will change in our lifetime -- stay tuned.

j.p.bill · 26th April 2007, 02:51 AM

Work ethic? Chinese? Don't think they relate very well.

More like work or starve. The Chinese are the best thieves and rip-off artists in the world. There's already Spiderman 3 DVDs for sale in Beijing. While we were in port in Hong Kong, the crew painting the hull (in return for the ship's garbage) broke into a fan room, stole the Coke and sold it to the ship's crew.

Motivated engineering students? Sure - get grades or do manual labor for the rest of your life.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 26th April 2007, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by j.p.bill

Motivated engineering students? Sure - get grades or do manual labor for the rest of your life.

That sounds a good incentive to me!

Papabravo · 26th April 2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by j.p.bill

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Motivated engineering students? Sure - get grades or do manual labor for the rest of your life.

What's so great about engineering careers? Uncompensated overtime, verbally abusive and incompetent management, reward for doing a good job is that you get to keep it? At least here you always know where the door is and can walk anytime. I certainly wouldn't want to be an engineer on a project with any sort of Party visibility. Can you imagine the consequences of missing a deadline?! Literally!!

3iMaJ · 18th May 2007, 02:25 AM

Its true that China's primary/secondary eduction system far exceeds most, but by the time the first 4 years of college is completed most everyone is on a level playing field once again.

Colleges pick up the slack of a terrible secondary education system. As far as the US goes anyway.

Hank Fletcher · 18th May 2007, 07:02 PM

Competition due to population size is a big factor, as is the already mentioned incentive to dig yourself out of your own perceived hole. China can afford to tell people they're failures, because there will always be menial labour for the oppressed to be subjected to. Engineers in the free world: consider all possible scenarios before you start feeling oppressed. As hard as your job may be, there are plenty of people living (can you call it that?) lives that are pure sh*t, and they deserve better, or even for the conservatives among you, the option to make their lives better, and for the most part they don't have that because their individual needs (not to mention wants) are not their countries' concern.

So they set hard exams that are not designed to instruct, but rather to exclude. They exclude the majority, who can thus be relegated as I've said, and offer the accepted minority a slightly better smelling sh*t. Their options to that are to attempt to escape their own country, travel miles to a land they know nothing about, endure racism in the new country through formal and informal means, and they do it all in the belief that life can be better. It's a compliment to your nation for someone from elsewhere to put themselves through that, so open your minds and hearts. You're making the world better by being accepting, and obviously there are gains to you personally for this if the person you're accepting has commited so much to making life better. Recognize in them fellow brothers and sisters.

**Nigel Goodwin** · 19th May 2007, 09:14 AM

Incidently, I saw that exact (and I mean EXACT, the same graphic) same 'supposedly chinese' question somewhere the other day, and it wasn't anything to do with a chinese exam!.

It's also a little suspicious that a chinese exam would be in English - looks like a 'made up' news item to me!.

Papabravo · 19th May 2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

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It's also a little suspicious that a chinese exam would be in English...

Yeah..that's what I asked a month ago and nobody responded. Are we the only ones that noticed?

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25th April 2007, 02:11 PM	(permalink)
Pommie	Chinese University Entrance Exam. This is unbelievable, according to the BBC, these are test set by a Chinese University and a UK one. Full Story. These are the tests! Anyone up for the first one? Mike.

25th April 2007, 02:23 PM	(permalink)
Nigel Goodwin	It's quite probable!. University entrance in the UK requires a specific number of A-Level passes, at specific grades - the top ones require three A grade passes. However, many sixth form students are encouraged to take easy useless subjects, because a high pass rate with good grades makes the school look good in the stupid 'league tables' started a few years back. This causes most schools to concentrate on climbing up the league tables, and forgetting to turn out kids that know anything. So the better universities started giving entrance exams in Maths and English, to ensure they meet a minimum required standard. Bear in mind, this isn't for a maths course, it's just to prove you have at least a modicum of knowledge. Incidently, my daughter moves to sixth form in September, she's taking: Maths Further Maths Chemistry Music Technology So a reasonably decent selection of subjects, with Music Tech more a 'fun' subject for her. __________________ PIC programmer software, and PIC Tutorials at: http://www.winpicprog.co.uk

25th April 2007, 02:53 PM	(permalink)
Papabravo	My daughter blew my doors off when she took Gross Anatomy w/lab as part of her program in Sports Medicine as an undergraduate. Nothing surprises me any more. BTW - Why are the questions in English on the entrance exam for a Chinese University? I guess I wouldn't get in, Mon Dieu!, quelle domage! Last edited by Papabravo; 25th April 2007 at 02:55 PM.

25th April 2007, 08:34 PM	(permalink)
Hero999	At first I didn't believe that the second question is part of a final year exam (we had those sorts of questions back at GCSE level), but going from my experiances of Bedford college I'm not surprised at all. I am surprised about the dificulty of the Chinese question. I hope it isn't true because if it is China have already overtaken us! __________________ I also post at the following sites: http://www.stop-microsoft.org http://www.heated-debates.com Screen name: Aloone_Jonez

25th April 2007, 08:52 PM	(permalink)
Papabravo	One might well ask: "What is the difference between an entrepreneur and a salaryman"? One might further wonder why we should care about the answer. IMHO China will contiue to be a second class economic power as long as the people continue to tolerate an authoritarian political system. Is there any evidence that it will change in our lifetime -- stay tuned.

26th April 2007, 02:51 AM	(permalink)
j.p.bill	Work ethic? Chinese? Don't think they relate very well. More like work or starve. The Chinese are the best thieves and rip-off artists in the world. There's already Spiderman 3 DVDs for sale in Beijing. While we were in port in Hong Kong, the crew painting the hull (in return for the ship's garbage) broke into a fan room, stole the Coke and sold it to the ship's crew. Motivated engineering students? Sure - get grades or do manual labor for the rest of your life.

18th May 2007, 02:25 AM	(permalink)
3iMaJ	Its true that China's primary/secondary eduction system far exceeds most, but by the time the first 4 years of college is completed most everyone is on a level playing field once again. Colleges pick up the slack of a terrible secondary education system. As far as the US goes anyway.

18th May 2007, 07:02 PM	(permalink)
Hank Fletcher	Competition due to population size is a big factor, as is the already mentioned incentive to dig yourself out of your own perceived hole. China can afford to tell people they're failures, because there will always be menial labour for the oppressed to be subjected to. Engineers in the free world: consider all possible scenarios before you start feeling oppressed. As hard as your job may be, there are plenty of people living (can you call it that?) lives that are pure sht, and they deserve better, or even for the conservatives among you, the option to make their lives better, and for the most part they don't have that because their individual needs (not to mention wants) are not their countries' concern. So they set hard exams that are not designed to instruct, but rather to exclude. They exclude the majority, who can thus be relegated as I've said, and offer the accepted minority a slightly better smelling sht. Their options to that are to attempt to escape their own country, travel miles to a land they know nothing about, endure racism in the new country through formal and informal means, and they do it all in the belief that life can be better. It's a compliment to your nation for someone from elsewhere to put themselves through that, so open your minds and hearts. You're making the world better by being accepting, and obviously there are gains to you personally for this if the person you're accepting has commited so much to making life better. Recognize in them fellow brothers and sisters. Last edited by Hank Fletcher; 18th May 2007 at 07:05 PM.

19th May 2007, 09:14 AM	(permalink)
Nigel Goodwin	Incidently, I saw that exact (and I mean EXACT, the same graphic) same 'supposedly chinese' question somewhere the other day, and it wasn't anything to do with a chinese exam!. It's also a little suspicious that a chinese exam would be in English - looks like a 'made up' news item to me!. __________________ PIC programmer software, and PIC Tutorials at: http://www.winpicprog.co.uk