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  1. #31
    audioguru audioguru is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by Frank88 View Post
    Why wouldn't I use a 270ohm resistor in this case to keep 20mA fwd current?
    You don't know the actual forward voltage of your LEDs unless you measure and label all of them. The forward voltage is somewhere from 2.0V to 2.4V but most will be 2.0V.
    If you calculate a current-limiting resistor for LEDs that have a forward voltage of 2.4V then the current will be higher when they are 2.0V. You do the simple calculation to see if they will burn out.

    How is it handled then when 36 leds @ 2.4V max fwd voltage rating = 86.4? 12.6V - 86.4V = -73.8?
    Of course not.
    If you have more than 5 LEDs in series then they will not light from a 12.6V supply.
    I showed that 3 LEDs in series allow the current to be reasonable when the LED voltage is 2.4V or 2.0V.

    I can set up a max 5 parallel strings with 7 in series (I'll just use 35 LED's in this example); then I would have .6V residual current to dissipate requiring a 30 ohm resistor on each parallel string?
    The same problem as one hundred replies ago:
    1) Calculating with 2.4V LEDs.
    7 in series total 16.8V. 20mA in 30 ohms is 0.6V so the power supply is 16.8V + 0.6V= 17.4V.
    But if all 7 LEDs are actually 2.0V then their current will be 113mA and they will instantly burn out.

    2) Calculating with 2.0V LEDs.
    7 in series total 14V. A 30 ohm current-limiting resistor has 0.6V at 20mA so the power supply is 14.6V.
    But if all 7 LEDs are actually 2.4V then they will not light.

    This arrangement would put 7 LED's in series. If one light went out would the remaining 6 go out?
    When LEDs fail, they usually go open, they do not short.
    So all the LEDs in a series string all stop lighting when one burns out because they are in series.
    If you buy quality LEDs from a Name-Brand manufacturer then they will be reliable.
    But if you buy Cheap Chinese LEDs on E-Bay then some will probably not work in the beginning and the remaining will probably fail soon.
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  2. #32
    Frank88 Frank88 is offline
    I misunderstood. I thought the number of parallel runs is used to compute the total diode voltage to subtract from the power supply voltage, but it is the number of diodes in the series. Thank you.
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  3. #33
    Frank88 Frank88 is offline
    Ok if I'm progressing at all with understanding this I should use 330 ohm resistors for the Red and Yellow LED's. That would be 36 LED's for each color, each having a forward voltage of 2, setting up 12 parallel arrays with 3 LED's in series in each array, using a 12.0V power supply with 5% tolerance, and a diode fwd current of 20mA.

    Since each resistor will dissipate 132mW a 1/4 watt resistor is ok?

    And for the Blue and Green LED's using their fwd voltage of 3.3V, I'd set up the same array which leaves a residual voltage for dissipation of 2.7V, to get 20mA diode fwd current I'd need 135Ohm resistors (or the next size above reducing the diode fwd current somewhat).

    Since each resistor dissipates 54 mW a 1/8 watt resistor would suffice?
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    Frank88 Frank88 is offline
    Just out of curiosity for the Reds and Yellows why wouldn't you set up 9 parallel arrays with 4 LED's in each and use a 230 resistor?
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  5. #35
    audioguru audioguru is offline
    Quote Originally Posted by Frank88 View Post
    Ok if I'm progressing at all with understanding this I should use 330 ohm resistors for the Red and Yellow LED's. That would be 36 LED's for each color, each having a forward voltage of 2, setting up 12 parallel arrays with 3 LED's in series in each array, using a 12.0V power supply with 5% tolerance, and a diode fwd current of 20mA.

    Since each resistor will dissipate 132mW a 1/4 watt resistor is ok?
    Yes and yes.

    And for the Blue and Green LED's using their fwd voltage of 3.3V, I'd set up the same array which leaves a residual voltage for dissipation of 2.7V, to get 20mA diode fwd current I'd need 135Ohm resistors (or the next size above reducing the diode fwd current somewhat).
    I said before that if each LED is actually 3.8V but the resistor was calculated for 3.3V at 20mA then three LEDs would have a current of only 8mA which is not enough. I calculated before that two 3.3V LEDs in series will need a 300 ohm resistor for 20mA. If the LEDs are actually 3.8V each then their current will be 16.7mA which is fine. The power dissipated in the resistor will be 120mW so a 1/4W resistor is fine.
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    Frank88 Frank88 is offline
    Thank you for all your help! It's been very informative.
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