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Old 11th November 2009, 06:07 AM   #1
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Hi,

The ground wire (trace) in most PCB's tend to be wider than other traces.
I have heard that it is to cancel noises, and or make other traces to do not act like a capacitor with each others.
Can somebody explain it to me please?

Thanks in Advance
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Old 11th November 2009, 06:16 AM   #2
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Supply traces have to carry a higher load than signal traces.

Not only the ground trace, but also the positive supply voltage should have a wider trace.

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Old 11th November 2009, 06:52 AM   #3
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So what will happen then??!
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Old 11th November 2009, 10:52 AM   #4
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The trace named "ground" is usually used as a reference against which all (most) other signals are referred. It's good design practice to minimize the voltage potential between any two locations on "ground".

The "power" trace carries more current than the typical "signal". To achieve lower losses, it's made wider as required.
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Old 11th November 2009, 11:50 AM   #5
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Thanks but I am not sure if I got it!

Is that the whole story for it? It has nothing to do with noises?
I have seen SW selectors and intermediate frequency inductors have a metalic can/cover connected to ground too??

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Old 11th November 2009, 12:01 PM   #6
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As mneary said, the wider ground trace minimises the potential difference between different locations in the circuit by providing a lower impedance path. As ground is often used as the reference, any potential difference is the 'noise' you mentioned. Where amplifiers are used, the potential difference in the reference is often amplified as well.
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Old 11th November 2009, 12:56 PM   #7
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Oops!
What this means??: "any potential difference is the 'noise'".

What I seem to understand from your posts is that we make ground trace wider because
more current is following through it and so we try to choice a wider trace for the ground to have less RESISTANCE in the ground trace,right?
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Old 11th November 2009, 01:25 PM   #8
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Just a short math example.

Consider you want to feed 10 ICs from the same power source each demanding 1mA for proper function.

Keeping the supply traces for the current flow of 1mA nine (most probably all) of the ICs will suffer from lack of power.

Widening the supply traces has nothing to do with noise being produced on a PCB because of poor engineering.

AF-circuits of poor design normally have feedback in the wrong direction, resulting in noise or other abnormal circuit behaviour - which might happen due to poor trace routing.

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Old 11th November 2009, 05:25 PM   #9
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For high speed circuits they often use a ground plane (sold copper plane) to minimize ground resistance and inductance, and thus minimize ground noise due to high speed signals.
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Old 12th November 2009, 07:19 AM   #10
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Oops!
What this means??: "any potential difference is the 'noise'".

What I seem to understand from your posts is that we make ground trace wider because
more current is following through it and so we try to choice a wider trace for the ground to have less RESISTANCE in the ground trace,right?
There's not necessarily any more current flowing in the ground trace, but yes, we want to reduce it's resistance/impedance so that currents flowing in it don't create much voltage drop. Ideally, the ground/reference voltage trace voltages should be the same at every point on the trace.
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Old 12th November 2009, 01:30 PM   #11
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In other words, to the OP, you would not want to be able to take a voltmeter from any point on the ground trace and another point on the ground trace and read any potential whatsoever. With a trace that is physically too small, there will be a potential set up across it from one extremety to the other, therefore a series resistance. Since ground is the reference from which all points in your circuit work, it would be undesireable to have such a situation.
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