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Hi Im making a small wireless FM receiver based on RF solutions pair of recievers/transmitters at 433 MHz. Until now ive just been using a 17.5 cn length of cable as an antenna with good results but for production im not sure if it is a good idea to continue with this method. How easy/difficult is it to encorporate the antenna into the PCB tracks of the PCB. I can find maybe a square inch to play with on the board. Is there alot of calculations/fine tuning required or sould i just be able to make a track say 17.5 cm long that may double back on its self to fit on the board (the board is approx 9 cm long. Any thoughts? Justin | |
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Last edited by Tesla23; 28th May 2009 at 01:34 PM. | ||
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Antenna design is a magical art that is beyond me. I've used these 433Mhz chip antennas in the past. I got them from Mouser.
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Mark, Which piece of the board is the antenna? The grey component at the bottom of the picture?
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Here's a PCB-antenna as it used with a MICROCHIP transceiver. The dimensions are lambda/4. The feedline does not add to antenna length. Maintain a top trace keep out area of 0.21X0.2 inches at the feedpoint. Details shown in attachment. Boncuk
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| The chip is at the bottom, and it's actually a light blue-ish. It's beside the transmitter and SAW filter. It's a Yageo part. Checking on Mouser and Digikey, they have the parts listed, but they aren't stocked. The only other alternative chip antenna is a Linx part from Digikey. Part #: ANT-433-SP_
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To get any reasonable amount of efficiency from an antenna (power radiated vs power consumed as resistive losses), the length of the antenna needs to be a half-wavelength long. At 433MHz, λ/2=3e8/(2*433e6)=0.23m or 23cm or 9". Such an antenna is usually configured as a center-fed dipole, placed either horizontally or vertically. Various tricks are used to make a dipole physically smaller, like bending the sides into a V, or shortening them and then adding inductance (loading coils) to maintain resonance, or making half a half-wave dipole (¼λ monopole) operated against a conductive ground-plane (vertical ¼λ antenna) The sad reality is that anything you do to modify the antenna so that its "aperture" becomes less than ½λ greatly compromises its efficiency. There are lots of examples of "compromised" antennas being useful. An AM Broadcast receiver uses a tiny loop-stick, but the transmitter uses a 100m full size ¼λ vertical with hundreds of wires in the earth as a counterpoise and transmits kW of power. A mobile-mounted ham transceiver uses a loaded vertical (and only radiates ~3W out of 100W fed to the antenna), but is able to communicate hundreds of miles. In both of these examples, the trick is POWER! You can afford to lose efficiency if you can make it up with brute force. However, if your transmitter is in the mW range, and your receiver is not the best (which it isn't in the inexpensive data communications devices), then if you try to use short compromised antennas for both the transmitter and the receiver, you deserve what you will get, i.e. very short range. ![]() btw- the transmitting antenna must have the same orientation (vertical, horizontal) as the receiving antenna; otherwise there is an additional 20db cross-polarization loss. Last edited by MikeMl; 28th May 2009 at 03:12 PM. | |
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I think that there would be lots of hams out there that would take issue with you on 3% efficiency for a loaded vertical. Well matched and plated with a good conductor I would expect something over 90%. | |||
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The only way of making a "directive" antenna is by increasing its "aperture", i.e. making it physically larger. All directive arrays consist of spaced elements, where each of the elements, and the spacing between them is on the order of ¼ to ½λ; think yagis, colinear arrays, t.v. antennas, phased arrays, etc. Get me the dimensions your 12mm shortened antenna, and I will put it in my antenna-modeling software and will compare the field patterns to a resonant dipole for the same frequency. I have done this hundreds of times, and I can predict what the results will be. I'll be happy to post them here. Quote:
![]() I have used a hiQ resonant 6' diameter loop with a bandwidth so narrow that it wouldn't pass a 3kHz wide SSB voice signal on 40m, and best I was able to measure (field strength) suggested it was about 7% efficient compared to a 66ft dipole. There isn't any such thing as an efficient shortened antenna. Last edited by MikeMl; 29th May 2009 at 01:30 AM. | |||
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See it's like their speaking a different language. I will be googling terms for while.
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You are correct that most directive arrays consist of elements spaced on the order of half a wavelength and practically it is hard to do much better, but that is not what we are discussing here. Quote:
There isn't any such thing as a broadband efficient shortened antenna. If you are prepared to sacrifice bandwidth, there is scope to scale down by a factor of somewhere up to 10. Quick look for some measurements, all I could find was this loop, a ham design with side lambda/20 and a claimed 68% efficiency. The fundamentals haven't changed much over the years, you've probably read it, but for those who haven't my favourite reference is: Fundamental limitations in antennas Hansen, R.C.; Proceedings of the IEEE Volume 69, Issue 2, Feb. 1981 Page(s):170 - 182 | |||
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If i have been using the 17.5 cm of cable with good results, is it viable to coil or loop the wire inside the enclosure i.e. does it make a difference if the length is still 17.5 cm but the cable isnt in a straight line...?
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Looping the wire around the equipment enclosure will affect the antenna characeristics in an unperdictable manner. The bottom line: Try it, if it gives fully acceptable results, job done. JimB
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| Did you check the paper in my first post - it gave an example of a 433MHz helical antenna
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