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Old 23rd May 2004, 09:50 PM   (permalink)
Default I need something faster than relays

I need something that switches on/off faster than relays. Will some boolean gates and transistors do the trick?

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Old 23rd May 2004, 10:01 PM   (permalink)
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wut r u trying 2 switch on n off? Cuz if it's something that needs to stay on after current is gone, something that a simple transistor can't do, you might try a SCR. Even if the gate current is gone, it still lets current flow through it until the current flowing through it shuts off. Then it resets itself. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is how an SCR works.
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Old 23rd May 2004, 10:41 PM   (permalink)
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I need something with EXACTLY the same properties as a relay. When power flows to A, power goes from B to C, and when there ain't any power going to A, no power will go from B to C either. Think you get the point.

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Old 23rd May 2004, 10:43 PM   (permalink)
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Its depended in what current\voltage you need to switch on\off and in what frequency.

You can use a simple transistor or MOSFET transistor for switching.

I also find out recently a very nice IC (LCA110) by "Clare", they are calling it "MOSFET Relay".
Basicly its a very nice optcoupler that can manage 350V/120mA in its load and works like a true relay.
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Old 23rd May 2004, 10:52 PM   (permalink)
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The major difference between a relay and a solid state relay is that the solid state device has 1 or 2 volts drop across it and it will get hot if not heat sunk when carrying high current.
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Old 23rd May 2004, 10:58 PM   (permalink)
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Simple +12VDC, and don't think about the freq. it is maybe goning switch once a week or something odd like that.

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Old 23rd May 2004, 11:02 PM   (permalink)
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Yes a solid state relay will couse a voltage drop higher than a transistor but again it depends on the application you are designing
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Old 23rd May 2004, 11:10 PM   (permalink)
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Heres a simple NPN transistor switching sample.
When the 5kohm resistor will get a 5V input it will output 12v.
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Old 23rd May 2004, 11:24 PM   (permalink)
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Why does the resistors have to be such a high resistance? to protect the transitor?

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Old 23rd May 2004, 11:32 PM   (permalink)
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what kind of circuit do you intend to use it for?
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Old 24th May 2004, 08:20 AM   (permalink)
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Lac, a 4066 cmos quad bilateral switch may be what you are after.
It's a chip with 4 switches, that will work similar to 4 indipendent relays.( if you wire it up properly).
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Old 24th May 2004, 09:23 AM   (permalink)
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Why does the resistors have to be such a high resistance? to protect the transitor?
no, the resistors have such a high resistance so as to keep it deep into saturation. no matter what the input voltage the circuit will act as a switch. but this is not the kind of switch u need. this is a digital switch. u need an analogue switch. a solid state relay or an SCR should be your choice. what are your current requirements. and when u say simple 12VDC what do u mean. is that the voltage that is going to trigger the switch or is it the voltage that is going to be triggered.
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Old 24th May 2004, 09:37 AM   (permalink)
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I need something with EXACTLY the same properties as a relay. When power flows to A, power goes from B to C, and when there ain't any power going to A, no power will go from B to C either. Think you get the point.
The only thing 'exactly like a relay' is a relay! - you don't give anywhere near enough information to make informed suggestions. For example:

What are you switching?.
What current are you switching?.
What voltage are you switching?.
Is it AC or DC?.
What is the switching signal?.
How fast does it need to switch, and why?.
How often does it need to switch?.

To produce a solid state circuit to replace a relay we need to know all these, and possibly a few more? - as a relay is simply a mechanical switch, it's far easier.
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Old 24th May 2004, 01:02 PM   (permalink)
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ok, sorry for being in a hurry there.

I'm having this digital-clock-circuit that will usally be plugged into the wall, but when I disconnect it from the wall (to move it to a new location or something like that) I want the clock to keep on running (so the time is always ticking, and I don't need to set the time each time I have disconnected it from the wall)

To be able to do this I need some kind of backup power, in this case a 7.2V battery. So what I want to do, is that when the power from the wall is disconnected the battery will kick in. I have tried this with a relay, but the time it takes to switch it from "wall-power" to "battery-power" is much to long, since this is a digital clock the time will be EXACT at all times, and therefore I can't allow it to be a little delay when the clock is disconnected and/or disconnected

So what I simply need is a way to switch between the two power sources, in no time, dependent if power is coming from the wall's 12VDC or not.

The freq. that it will be switching is dependent on how often it will be moved around my house, and I don't think that will be more often than mostly once a week.

Cheers! I Hope I made myself a little more intelligible now :wink: .
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Old 24th May 2004, 01:12 PM   (permalink)
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ok, sorry for being in a hurry there.

I'm having this digital-clock-circuit that will usally be plugged into the wall, but when I disconnect it from the wall (to move it to a new location or something like that) I want the clock to keep on running (so the time is always ticking, and I don't need to set the time each time I have disconnected it from the wall)

To be able to do this I need some kind of backup power, in this case a 7.2V battery. So what I want to do, is that when the power from the wall is disconnected the battery will kick in. I have tried this with a relay, but the time it takes to switch it from "wall-power" to "battery-power" is much to long, since this is a digital clock the time will be EXACT at all times, and therefore I can't allow it to be a little delay when the clock is disconnected and/or disconnected

So what I simply need is a way to switch between the two power sources, in no time, dependent if power is coming from the wall's 12VDC or not.

The freq. that it will be switching is dependent on how often it will be moved around my house, and I don't think that will be more often than mostly once a week.

Cheers! I Hope I made myself a little more intelligible now :wink: .
Lac
It's a very, very different story now!.

All you need is two rectifiers, wired as an OR gate like the diagram attached. You could even probably use just one rectifier, on the battery side - the bridge recifier on the mains transformer would work as the other rectifier.
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