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Old 26th April 2004, 09:45 PM   (permalink)
Default Safe and Stable 5V Automotive Circuit ?

I have pic set up to drive some accessory stuff in a auto application, I have a 7805 5V regulator, but I'm not sure about some things...

Can I hook a 12V lead directly to the regulator or is it going to need a resistor or such ? (regulators current handeling is 1amp, but my pic will draw MUCH less then that, or is it going to draw the batteries current to convert... I dont know much about this stuff)

Also, I notice I'm not getting a steady voltage, If off a 9V I'm getting about 4.50V, if from the car battery its ~5.17V. I dont have any caps on this circuit mainly b/c I have no idea where they go, anyone have any advice on this ?

Thanks,
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Old 26th April 2004, 10:13 PM   (permalink)
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Can I hook a 12V lead directly to the regulator or is it going to need a resistor or such ? (regulators current handeling is 1amp, but my pic will draw MUCH less then that, or is it going to draw the batteries current to convert... I dont know much about this stuff)
You can connect 12V directly to input on a 7805.
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Old 26th April 2004, 10:37 PM   (permalink)
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Also, I notice I'm not getting a steady voltage, If off a 9V I'm getting about 4.50V, if from the car battery its ~5.17V. I dont have any caps on this circuit mainly b/c I have no idea where they go, anyone have any advice on this ?
You MUST use capacitors, the regulator will be unstable if you don't - either consult the datasheet, or look at any circuit which uses a regulator IC. My tutorial processor boards use a 7805 regulator, you could look there.
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Old 27th April 2004, 12:20 AM   (permalink)
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The 7805 won't last long if you connect the +12 volts directly to the 7805 input because there can be up to 60 volt spikes (due to starting motor mostly) which will blow it. Use a hash filter as available from Radio Shack.
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Old 27th April 2004, 06:03 PM   (permalink)
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Thats the reason I ask about the 7805... I blew one.

What is a hash filter?

Got a pn by chance ?




ALSO: Nigel I cant find those diagram you talked about anywhere, do you have a link ?
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Old 27th April 2004, 06:09 PM   (permalink)
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ALSO: Nigel I cant find those diagram you talked about anywhere, do you have a link ?
click the link in his sig and go to P16PRO40
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Old 27th April 2004, 07:01 PM   (permalink)
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Thanks, I found it, but i think its going to take some time to figureo out what is going on there and whay of that ' I ' need to incorperate into my designs.
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Old 27th April 2004, 08:32 PM   (permalink)
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270-050 is a Radio Shack filter, but it is expensive for what it does. The old 270-030 was reasonable, but it is not carried any more. Radio Shack has hardly anything useful any more. A series inductor and shunt capacitor is what is needed.
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Old 28th April 2004, 07:26 AM   (permalink)
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Thanks, I found it, but i think its going to take some time to figureo out what is going on there and whay of that ' I ' need to incorperate into my designs.
Have a look at the circuit from one of my tutorials, it uses a 7805 and a couple of capacitors.

http://www.winpicprog.co.uk/pic_tutorial_main_board.htm
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Old 3rd May 2004, 10:56 PM   (permalink)
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Sorry, I've ben out for a few days...

Um.... I went and found the radioshack 270050A and..... its like a 2lb noise filter. WAY too big for what I'm doing.

I have no idea what a series inducer and shunt capacitor do.

Is that what I need to stop voltage spikes from buring my 7805 ?

Suggestions ?


Btw: I put the caps on and they dont appear to do anything.... Its ~5.24 w/ them off or in place. Does it matter where in the circuit they are (ie: before the feed to the pic or after?)
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Old 3rd May 2004, 11:45 PM   (permalink)
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Btw: I put the caps on and they dont appear to do anything.... Its ~5.24 w/ them off or in place. Does it matter where in the circuit they are (ie: before the feed to the pic or after?)
The capacitors need to be as close as possible to the 7805.
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