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daviddoria · 28th February 2003, 11:32 AM

i am using Trax Maker to draw. I noticed that on my 4017, there is no pin 8 and no pin 16. these are Vs and ground. when i hit "simulate" it doesn't work (i'm guessing because the chip isn't getting power)

i also noticed on a drawing by kinaljp that he was missing the same pins...
is there a way to add pins? are they left off for a reason?

ADDED * a buddy of mine said that these pins are assumed by the software. any truth in this?

david

**kinjalgp** · 28th February 2003, 01:47 PM

In digital simultion, Vdd, Vcc, Vss and GND are assumed by the software. You normally don't require to explicitely connect these pins to supply rails.

daviddoria · 28th February 2003, 04:20 PM

hmmm... then i wonder what is wrong with my circuit.. it works in real life hehe... it says "some components may not simulate" then it highlights capacitors and ICs.

this is the circuit maker that comes with TRAXX Maker

anyone use this that i can send my file?

david

**kinjalgp** · 28th February 2003, 04:24 PM

I know why it doesn't work! The error is caused because your simulation mode is set to analog mode, change it to digital mode from the menus.

daviddoria · 28th February 2003, 05:43 PM

haha i have it in digital already

thats not it

**kinjalgp** · 28th February 2003, 05:45 PM

Opps...I told you the other way round, in Digital Mode, it is not possible to simulate capacitors and other passive components in Circuit Maker.

Gene · 28th February 2003, 07:06 PM

David, Here's an idea - There is a buffering action at the output pins of the IC which reduces the current flow. If your circuit (on paper) has an LED and a limiting resistor in series feeding from the output, the output voltage of the IC may be below the cut-off for the LED.

Try this - If your simulation software has a voltmeter or (better yet) an oscilliscope, connect it (on paper) to an output pin and see what you get. If you are powering the IC with 9 volts, the simulation sees 2 volts at the output and probably has set the LED cut-off at 2.1 or 2.2 volts (e.g., not enough to turn on the LED in the simulation). If your software does not have this feature, try connecting the LED directly to the output pin (without the limiting resistor) - bet it will work now.

Do not change your real circuit if it is working properly (I didn't really have to say that - did I?)

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28th February 2003, 11:32 AM	(permalink)
daviddoria	counters in circuit software i am using Trax Maker to draw. I noticed that on my 4017, there is no pin 8 and no pin 16. these are Vs and ground. when i hit "simulate" it doesn't work (i'm guessing because the chip isn't getting power) i also noticed on a drawing by kinaljp that he was missing the same pins... is there a way to add pins? are they left off for a reason? ADDED * a buddy of mine said that these pins are assumed by the software. any truth in this? david __________________ thanks, david

28th February 2003, 01:47 PM	(permalink)
kinjalgp	In digital simultion, Vdd, Vcc, Vss and GND are assumed by the software. You normally don't require to explicitely connect these pins to supply rails. __________________ "There is no way to peace, peace is the way!"

28th February 2003, 04:20 PM	(permalink)
daviddoria	hmmm... then i wonder what is wrong with my circuit.. it works in real life hehe... it says "some components may not simulate" then it highlights capacitors and ICs. this is the circuit maker that comes with TRAXX Maker anyone use this that i can send my file? david __________________ thanks, david

28th February 2003, 04:24 PM	(permalink)
kinjalgp	I know why it doesn't work! The error is caused because your simulation mode is set to analog mode, change it to digital mode from the menus. __________________ "There is no way to peace, peace is the way!"

28th February 2003, 05:43 PM	(permalink)
daviddoria	haha i have it in digital already thats not it __________________ thanks, david

28th February 2003, 05:45 PM	(permalink)
kinjalgp	Opps...I told you the other way round, in Digital Mode, it is not possible to simulate capacitors and other passive components in Circuit Maker. __________________ "There is no way to peace, peace is the way!"

28th February 2003, 07:06 PM	(permalink)
Gene	David, Here's an idea - There is a buffering action at the output pins of the IC which reduces the current flow. If your circuit (on paper) has an LED and a limiting resistor in series feeding from the output, the output voltage of the IC may be below the cut-off for the LED. Try this - If your simulation software has a voltmeter or (better yet) an oscilliscope, connect it (on paper) to an output pin and see what you get. If you are powering the IC with 9 volts, the simulation sees 2 volts at the output and probably has set the LED cut-off at 2.1 or 2.2 volts (e.g., not enough to turn on the LED in the simulation). If your software does not have this feature, try connecting the LED directly to the output pin (without the limiting resistor) - bet it will work now. Do not change your real circuit if it is working properly (I didn't really have to say that - did I?)