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Old 20th July 2008, 06:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
Default Wired up a phase shift oscillator but I dont think im getting a sinusoidal wave

I hooked it up to a speaker but the speaker just makes some noise, flexes up and stays up, then shutters a little and repeats, no sound wave it seems. It should be at 900hz I have a dual + - 9 volt battery supply. Pin 1 is empty as it is just offset. Pin 2 has incoming from pin 6 and is bridged over the OP amp to pin 6 also. Pin 3 is grounded. Pin 4 has - input. Pin 5 is empty. Pin 6 is the output going to res cap res cap res cap res then back to pin 2, 3 resistors are grounded. Pin 7 has the + input. Pin 8 is empty. I wired the speaker after the end resistor before it goes to pin 2 from pin 6, so it should have a full phase shift. Any ideas?
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Old 20th July 2008, 07:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Would the type of capacitor make any difference? The caps are from a few weeks ago and I think they might be electrolytic if that makes any difference?
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Old 20th July 2008, 07:01 PM   #3 (permalink)
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How about posting the schematic and we might have some idea of what you are talking about?
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Old 20th July 2008, 07:06 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ive been using this.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...c/oscphas.html
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Old 20th July 2008, 07:13 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Just waiting for the mods to approve the post. I use the schematic from hyperphysics of the phase shift oscillator.

here

http : // hyperphysics . phy-astr . gsu.edu / hbase / electronic / oscphas . html

to speed things up.

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Old 20th July 2008, 07:36 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Why did you add the spaces?
Here's the link without the spaces.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...c/oscphas.html
You do know that this circuit can't drive an 8Ω speaker, you need a buffer amplifier like the LM386.
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Old 20th July 2008, 07:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Why did you add the spaces?
Here's the link without the spaces.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...c/oscphas.html
You do know that this circuit can't drive an 8Ω speaker, you need a buffer amplifier like the LM386.
The impediance of my speaker is 4Ω. LM386?

The forum wont allow me to post links with out approval since im a new member.
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Old 20th July 2008, 07:39 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The impediance of my speaker is 4Ω, will it push that or is that worse? lol. LM386?

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Old 20th July 2008, 07:53 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I can try to buffer it with the other op amp that I have but do you think this is definitely the problem? Eventially I will be buffering it.
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Old 20th July 2008, 08:08 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Adding another op-amp won't help since the minimum impedance most op-amps can drive is 2k, some can drive 600R but even that's 150 times too high.

Making the speaker 4Ω makes things worse, an LM386 can't drive that, you need to either use an 8Ω or a higher power amplifier IC like the TDA2003.
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Adding another op-amp won't help since the minimum impedance most op-amps can drive is 2k, some can drive 600R but even that's 150 times too high.

Making the speaker 4Ω makes things worse, an LM386 can't drive that, you need to either use an 8Ω or a higher power amplifier IC like the TDA2003.
Hmm I guess it must be working then. I guess ill just have to get another speaker then for frequency testing.

Thanks alot for you help!

Also for this circuit, is it possible to make a + - power supply like I have with my 2 9 volt batteries with just one battery?

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Old 20th July 2008, 08:33 PM   #12 (permalink)
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You can run this circuit off a single supply with some simple modifications.
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Old 20th July 2008, 11:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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You can run this circuit off a single supply with some simple modifications.
That circuit does not take into account the biasing of the output due to the connection to ground of the rightmost R. Neither takes into account the AC loading of the phase shift network by R1.
Below is a circuit that deals with both these problems, and also has a soft limiting circuit to avoid the waveform clipping that will otherwise occur. Simulation shows 3rd harmonic distortion of ≈-43dB.
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Old 21st July 2008, 12:59 AM   #14 (permalink)
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That circuit does not take into account the biasing of the output due to the connection to ground of the rightmost R. Neither takes into account the AC loading of the phase shift network by R1.
Below is a circuit that deals with both these problems, and also has a soft limiting circuit to avoid the waveform clipping that will otherwise occur. Simulation shows 3rd harmonic distortion of ≈-43dB.
Will it still push a frequency with out these changes? These are good changes, I will have to use them. My first goal is to get it working first. Then Ill perfect it
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Will it still push a frequency with out these changes? These are good changes, I will have to use them. My first goal is to get it working first. Then Ill perfect it
If you want to use Hero999's circuit, I would modify it as below.
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